Howdy there everyone Found the LUG site while doing the usual trawl/search to find solutions and answers. I have a Mac G4 1.25 dual MDD OSX 10.2.8/Cubase SL2, connected to a Midex8 and quite an extensive midi set up. The original intention was to use Soundiver as the librarian and by chance I picked up a free copy of version 3.0 from a friend. Unfortunately it was an NFR copy (not for resale) i.e. an official Emagic promotional demo with no key and therefore end of story, no upgrade facility, but also no OSX porting at the time. As time goes on I am finding the requirement for librarian software is becomming more acute. I have looked at the current version of Midi Quest but the required OS is 10.4. I do not want to move up to the next OS because I have stability and it will mean 'buggering about' again and not writing tunes. Motu Unisyn is light on coverage for a lot of my synths unfortunately. The question is this, is it worth getting hold of an XS key and installing the 3.1b2 version? How unstable is it? If any one would like to share their views/ideas/advice I would welcome it. Regards Ludite (army646@yahoo.com)

Nigel Armstrong wrote: > Motu Unisyn is light on coverage for a lot of my synths unfortunately. > > The question is this, is it worth getting hold of an XS key and installing > the 3.1b2 version? > > How unstable is it? > > If any one would like to share their views/ideas/advice I would welcome it. > Sound Diver never came with a key of any sort as it is. Not even a serial number. Well Unisyn sucks as far as support goes.. I dont think it handles a single one of my synths. MidiQuest isnt bad but its no Sound Diver and rather confusing to setup at first.. The beta is ok. Autolink is gone but you use Cubase anyways so that wont matter.. I dont think youll find a list of bugs anywhere for it so its all just reports from people here on the list who have gotten rather frustrated with Apple over it the last few years.. One BIG thing to look out for, no matter what you do, if you select and open a patch on ANY synth you have connected, even if you dont touch it, SD will write it back to memory on the synth when you close the window. So make sure once you start tweaking a sound, you REALLY REALLY wanted to change it otherwise get in the habit of making constant backups to the Library.. With my synths thats the only snag whatsoever Ive run into but Im sure with the tons of different adaptations out there youre bound to run into something else along the way.. FWIW I use a Waldorf Microwave XT, Micro Q, Korg ER1, Alesis SR16, and an Access Virus A with it and those seem to work fine except for the previously mentioned writing bug.. -- Chris http://www.monotrematamusic.com http://www.myspace.com/monotremata http://www.descentrecords.com

On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Chris Coccia wrote: > > Sound Diver never came with a key of any sort as it is. Not even a > serial number. This may be a bit confusing for a newcomer: SD came with disk authorization, however SD 3.1 beta 2 requires an XSKey or it just won't launch. Best, Andy

Hi all, thanks to all the contributors here. It makes for a very interesting read. My current issue: need to still run my G3/OS9/Soundiver/OPCODE Studio 4/Synth rig and link it with my OSX/G5 mac. my aim is to continue to manage editing and sound libraries with soundiver via the os9/soundiver rig. works perfectly and am very happy with everything. i am thinking a midi patcher like edirol um880 or um550. but not quite sure how to best link the 2 setups yet. i will have a keyboard midi controller in the middle of it all too. i also own a tascam fw-1082 that links to the G5. i need to play in the parts to osx for midi recording/editing, whilst also playing the os9 synth rig for audio recording. do any of you have any ideas, and would like to share the secrets of your studios? many thanks! george melbourne, australia.

Hi Andy A quick question on the XS key to get the Soundiver OSX beta to load/run issue. Does it matter if it is a white or blue key? Or if a blue key will not do the job straight off can it be updated? I may have found another way round with an old 'Classic' NFR ('Not For Resale' - Emagic official promo copy) that I picked up way back. There is a piece of MIDI porting softaware available from Troika Tronix called Midi Bridge. Do you know or have any experience/knowledge of this software. As I understand you open in Classic and it will port/bridge from Classic across to OSX MIDI drivers on your MIDI interface. Let me know your thoughts Cheers Ludite

On Jan 23, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Andy Hardwake wrote: > This may be a bit confusing for a newcomer: SD came with disk > authorization, however SD 3.1 beta 2 requires an XSKey or it just > won't launch. > > Best, > > Andy Oh yeah that lovely disc scan it does!! Maybe thats why I blocked out my OS 9 days hehe. My Waldorf plugs still do that on install too.. --- Chris www.monotrematamusic.com www.descentrecords.com

On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Nigel Armstrong wrote: > A quick question on the XS key to get the Soundiver OSX beta to load/ > run issue. > > Does it matter if it is a white or blue key? > > Or if a blue key will not do the job straight off can it be updated? > My XSKey is the Emagic blue one, works fine. I honestly cant remember if I ran the one or two firmware updates that came out for the old key but I probably did. --- Chris www.monotrematamusic.com www.descentrecords.com

--- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, "Nigel Armstrong" <forums@...> wrote: > > Does it matter if it is a white or blue key? It does not. I still have only the older blue key and that's all I've ever used. > I may have found another way round with an old 'Classic' NFR ('Not For Resale' - Emagic official promo copy) that I picked up way back. I think this would work.

Thanks Gents I appreciate your responses. It looks like the easiest way then is to get hold of the copy of logic that I am looking at, simply for the blue which will enable me to run the OSX soundiver beta. This is going to be the easiest way and avoid me having to exit OSX and revert to Classic to get access to soundiver. I will let you know how I get on. Regards and thanks Ludite

On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:37 PM, pangmaster wrote: > >> I may have found another way round with an old 'Classic' NFR ('Not > For Resale' - Emagic official promo copy) that I picked up way back. > I think this would work. It does. Never had the white key to check, but think it'll work too. Best, Andy

Am 23.01.2008 um 20:34 schrieb Nigel Armstrong: > How unstable is it? The OSX beta is pretty stable, but there's one big issue: devices supported by an adaptation that use a checksum in their sysex strings just don't work. This does not apply to devices supported by a SoundDiver module, these work fine (at least those I have tried). This bug was never fixed. I'd really love to be proven wrong here. SoundDiver just skips the checksum in the strings it sends out. So what you have to find out: are your synths etc supported by a SoundDiver module or adaptation (probably there's a list out there somewhere). If they are supported by adaptations, you need to find out if there are checksums in the Sysex strings. This is probably documented in the sysex specs of the device. Ingo

Evening all As far as my list of synths is concerned that I need to address with Soundiver, it is as follows: Roland JV1080 with Dance, Hip Hop, Techno and Orchestral 1 cards - know it's covered Roland U220 (kept for old school value - various cards) - know it's covered Quasmidi Technox - not sure Novation Bass Station - think it's covered Waldorf Pulse - pretty sure it's covered Yamaha CS1X - ? Korg Prophecy - covered I think Novation Super Nova II - probably not Novation Drum Station - possibly Zoom 234 Drum Box (some quite good drum sounds hidden in there, suprisingly)- unlikely Plus three or four old school samplers which don't come into the Soundiver equation. Life with the JV1080 it goes without saying is made easier with Soundiver and coverage of any other synth is basically a bonus. A definitive answer on coverage would be helpful. I lost track of Soundiver development years ago and particularly when the Emagic bubble burst and I ended up struggling with crappy drivers for an EMI 2/6 sound card. Does any one out there have any experience of the 'checksum' issue with these units. Let me know. Cheers Ludite

Am 25.01.2008 um 22:28 schrieb Nigel Armstrong: > Roland JV1080 with Dance, Hip Hop, Techno and Orchestral 1 cards - > know it's covered Module. > Roland U220 (kept for old school value - various cards) - > know it's covered Module. > Quasmidi Technox - > not sure Adaptation, but no checksums. > Novation Bass Station - > think it's covered Adaptation, but no checksums. > Waldorf Pulse - > pretty sure it's covered Adaptation, and uses checksums, so most likely won't work. > Yamaha CS1X - ? Adaptation, and uses checksums, so most likely won't work. > Korg Prophecy - > covered I think Module > Novation Super Nova II - > probably not Adaptations for both Keyboard and Rack, no checksums. > Novation Drum Station - > possibly Adaptation for Drum Station Rack, no checksums. > Zoom 234 Drum Box (some quite good drum sounds hidden in there, > suprisingly)- unlikely Don't know of any support, anyone? So except for Waldorf Pulse, Yamaha CS1X and Zoom 234 Drum Box the SoundDiver beta should work. Note that I haven't tested any of these devices, I just had a quick glance at the Sysex protocols. Ingo

On Montag 28 Januar 2008, Ingo Debus wrote: > > Waldorf Pulse - > > pretty sure it's covered > > Adaptation, and uses checksums, so most likely won't work. All Waldorf adaptations will work (if a bit less safely) by replacing the checksum byte with "7Fh" which is always accepted as valid checksum by the synth. There seems to be another bug in the 3.1b2: if the adaptation was edited on SD/Windows, some endian-conversions seem to mess things up. I know that for instance the bank entry increment value ends up as 256 instead of 1 in these cases. Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk]>+ SD adaptation for Waldorf microQ V2.22R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada

ASSI wrote: > On Montag 28 Januar 2008, Ingo Debus wrote: >>> Waldorf Pulse - >>> pretty sure it's covered >> Adaptation, and uses checksums, so most likely won't work. > > All Waldorf adaptations will work (if a bit less safely) by replacing > the checksum byte with "7Fh" which is always accepted as valid checksum > by the synth. > > There seems to be another bug in the 3.1b2: if the adaptation was edited > on SD/Windows, some endian-conversions seem to mess things up. I know > that for instance the bank entry increment value ends up as 256 instead > of 1 in these cases. > > > Achim. ASSI!! I was wondering if you were gonna chime in on this one hehe. So all of the Waldorf editors are adaptations right? I havent had to change a thing in mine, and my Micro Q and Microwave XT were both working perfect the other night (all that Blofeld talk on the Waldorf list made me wanna go back and revisit them).. This was the first time in awhile Ive actually made new sounds on them, but I do use it every few months to backup my library just in case and always goes without a hitch.. I do know quite awhile ago you told me to change the timeout period on the MicroQ one when I first got mine but that was a looooooooong time ago before SD was even available for OS X I believe.. -- Chris http://www.monotrematamusic.com http://www.myspace.com/monotremata http://www.descentrecords.com

On Montag 28 Januar 2008, Chris Coccia wrote: > So all of the Waldorf editors are adaptations right? The MW/XT is a module. There is no problem in receiving the sounds from the synth into SD as SD is ignoring the checksum in that direction anyway. There is also no problem with the microQ and Q in the other direction because despite the specification they actually ignore the checksum, so indeed it doesn't matter if it is even present or not. How's that for several bugs colluding to arrive at the desired result. I don't know about the Pulse, but the rackAttack and the Blofeld need correct checksums or they'll just shrug off whatever sysex they've received, so you will have to edit those adaptations. Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk]>+ SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada

Hey there, do you still have these files? Regards Alex

> Message posted by Alexander Hosford <big.shum@gmail.com>: > > do you still have these files? Which ones? PC, Mac, 9 or X? Best, Andy

On Montag 28 Januar 2008, Alexander Hosford wrote: > do you still have these files? Find the links here: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#EmagicFTP Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk]>+ Wavetables for the Terratec KOMPLEXER: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KomplexerWaves

>"The OSX beta is pretty stable, but there's one big issue: devices >supported by an adaptation that use a checksum in their sysex strings >just don't work. This does not apply to devices supported by a >SoundDiver module, these work fine (at least those I have tried). >This bug was never fixed. I'd really love to be proven wrong here. >SoundDiver just skips the checksum in the strings it sends out." i havent installed beta yet, but had problems getting 3.0 to work with several devices. what synth editors arent working for you as per your comment above? thanks mini

Am 29.01.2008 um 23:08 schrieb mm123 ah: > i havent installed beta yet, but had problems getting 3.0 to work > with several devices. > what synth editors arent working for you as per your comment above? I noticed this bug with the Yamaha VL70-m adaptation, but others on this list reported that they experienced the bug with other devices too. The VL70-m adaptation definitely worked with SoundDiver 3.0. Ingo

Am 29.01.2008 um 23:08 schrieb mm123 ah: > i havent installed beta yet, but had problems getting 3.0 to work > with several devices. > what synth editors arent working for you as per your comment above? I noticed this bug with the Yamaha VL70-m adaptation, but others on this list reported that they experienced the bug with other devices too. The VL70-m adaptation definitely worked with SoundDiver 3.0. Ingo if anyone else can add to the list please do. thanks ingo.

Does anyone know where i can get a copy of sounddiver for windows? i've tried ebay but no luck. is there a site i can download it? Or can anyone on here sell me a copy of it?

--- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, "Dj Shinobi" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Dj Shinobi <djshinobi@...>: > > Does anyone know where i can get a copy of sounddiver for windows? i've > tried ebay but no luck. is there a site i can download it? Or can anyone on > here sell me a copy of it? > I have a full version of V3 Windows and Mac with Owners Manual for sale.Shout if you are interesested. Regards, Gil

Yep, sure am! how much would you sell it for?