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I am looking for a way to edit the PLG100-VL on my MU100R.
Is there a way?
I tried the VL70-m adaptation, but it did not recognize the MU100R.
What can I do? Is it possible to edit the 6 Custom voices or also the
64 Internal voice? (Probably it is not possible to edit/copy the
Preset banks?)
Any help is welcome?
Am Montag, 13.10.03 um 15:02 Uhr schrieb bosy385:
> I tried the VL70-m adaptation, but it did not recognize the MU100R.
>
The VL70-m has two modes, the "Voice" mode and the
"VL-XG" mode. The
VL70-m adaptation only works with the VL70-m in Voice mode. In the
VL-XG mode the VL70-m uses different Sysex headers.
I'm not sure here, but I think I heard once the VL card in the MU is
only compatible with the VL-XG mode. Anyone got a Sysex doc of the MU?
It's easy to find out: In Voice mode the 4th Sysex byte is 57(hex), in
VL-XG mode it's 4C(hex).
BTW, did you "scan" the VL70-m or did you add it manually to the
setup?
> Is it possible to edit the 6 Custom voices or also the
> 64 Internal voice?
In the VL70-m adaptation both is possible.
> Probably it is not possible to edit/copy the
> Preset banks?
You can edit a copy of a Preset Voice in the VL70-m's edit buffer, then
save it into a Custom slot.
Ingo (co-author VL70-m adaptation)
Am 13.10.2003 um 09:53 schrieb Jake Eyre:
> IS this an English manual?
You can get it in German and English.
Beste Gruesse - best regards,
Michael Haydn
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Logic Developer (Logic Control integration)
Emagic Soft- & Hardware GmbH - Germany Phone: +49 4101 495 0
Halstenbeker Weg 96, 25462 Rellingen Fax : +49 4101 495 199
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on 10/13/03 10:21 AM, Michael Haydn at mhaydn@... wrote:
>
> Am 13.10.2003 um 09:53 schrieb Jake Eyre:
>
>> IS this an English manual?
>
> You can get it in German and English.
It is an English manual, but just a few minutes ago I finalized a deal
online to buy the application, unregistered, for $85. I am not a registered
user because I got the program with a laptop I bought used. I had the manual
but it got misplaced.
I'm not happy about paying that much for something I'm already using, but at
least I'll be registered & I'll have the manual. I have tried hard to
get
one with no success.
I hope you can help me with the other issues (The TD-7 T & the MSE-1).
Thanks,
Dave Turner
Good go pay for it then
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From: David Turner [mailto:skanman@...]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:52 PM
To: sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SoundDiver] Re: I want a manual!
on 10/13/03 10:21 AM, Michael Haydn at mhaydn@... wrote:
>
> Am 13.10.2003 um 09:53 schrieb Jake Eyre:
>
>> IS this an English manual?
>
> You can get it in German and English.
It is an English manual, but just a few minutes ago I finalized a deal
online to buy the application, unregistered, for $85. I am not a
registered user because I got the program with a laptop I bought used. I
had the manual but it got misplaced.
I'm not happy about paying that much for something I'm already using,
but at least I'll be registered & I'll have the manual. I have tried
hard to get one with no success.
I hope you can help me with the other issues (The TD-7 T & the MSE-1).
Thanks,
Dave Turner
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I installed the adaptation manually. Maybe I should try a scan?
I have the MU100R sysex doc (see
http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/xg/MU100RE2.PDF ) and
think that the MU can work in both modes.
What I do not understand: Do I have to set e.g. Part 1 to a VL voice
and THEN do the scan to have the MU recognized?
Another question is: Can I use VL70-m sysex files with my MU? I
tried, but it seems not to work. Do you have any idea why?
BTW: I just recognized that in the MU100R manual is no <BULK DUMP
REQUEST> specified for the VL part. Maybe this is the problem?
In the VL70-m manual it is mentioned:
F0H, 43H, 2nH, 57H or 4CH, ahH, amH, alH, F7H
2n : nÞvice Number
ah : Address High
am : Address Mid
al : Address Low
Thanks for your help,
Peter
--- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, Ingo Debus <debus@c...>
wrote:
>
> Am Montag, 13.10.03 um 15:02 Uhr schrieb bosy385:
>
> > I tried the VL70-m adaptation, but it did not recognize the
MU100R.
> >
>
> The VL70-m has two modes, the "Voice" mode and the
"VL-XG" mode.
The
> VL70-m adaptation only works with the VL70-m in Voice mode. In the
> VL-XG mode the VL70-m uses different Sysex headers.
> I'm not sure here, but I think I heard once the VL card in the MU
is
> only compatible with the VL-XG mode. Anyone got a Sysex doc of the
MU?
> It's easy to find out: In Voice mode the 4th Sysex byte is 57(hex),
in
> VL-XG mode it's 4C(hex).
>
> BTW, did you "scan" the VL70-m or did you add it manually to
the
setup?
>
> > Is it possible to edit the 6 Custom voices or also the
> > 64 Internal voice?
>
> In the VL70-m adaptation both is possible.
>
> > Probably it is not possible to edit/copy the
> > Preset banks?
>
> You can edit a copy of a Preset Voice in the VL70-m's edit buffer,
then
> save it into a Custom slot.
>
> Ingo (co-author VL70-m adaptation)
Am Dienstag, 14.10.03 um 09:15 Uhr schrieb bosy385:
> I installed the adaptation manually. Maybe I should try a scan?
>
If the Device IDs match then adding manually is fine.
> I have the MU100R sysex doc (see
> http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/xg/MU100RE2.PDF ) and
>
Thanks, I will look at it.
> What I do not understand: Do I have to set e.g. Part 1 to a VL voice
> and THEN do the scan to have the MU recognized?
>
No idea. I don't know enough about the MU.
> Another question is: Can I use VL70-m sysex files with my MU? I
> tried, but it seems not to work. Do you have any idea why?
>
Don't know.
> BTW: I just recognized that in the MU100R manual is no <BULK DUMP
> REQUEST> specified for the VL part. Maybe this is the problem?
>
Yes, this could be the problem. Is it possible to make the MU dump a
voice from the front panel? SoundDiver should get the dump then too.
Ingo
> Is it possible to make the MU dump a voice from the front panel?
SoundDiver should get the dump then too.
No, the VL voices cannot be dumped.
OK, I think this means that I can't request MU100R VL sounds from
sounddiver. But does this also mean that I can't edit the VL sounds
in Sounddiver and send them to the MU? (i.e. is the ability to dump
required to edit sounds?)
I did not work that much with sounddiver, but as far as I remember, I
can import/export sounds also from/to SYSEX. Maybe I can load a VL70-
m SYSEX file, edit and then save with different name. (This way I do
not need to request MU100R sounds from sounddiver...)
Unfortunately I have no time until Sunday to try out as I am about to
move from my flat to a house and there is a lot of work... But
inbetween all work I need also to think about music stuff to relax a
bit....
Thanks for your support, Ingo. But there is no hurry (exept for my
unpatience and my desire to solve a problem and learn something.....)
CU,
Peter
Am Mittwoch, 15.10.03 um 09:52 Uhr schrieb bosy385:
> No, the VL voices cannot be dumped.
> OK, I think this means that I can't request MU100R VL sounds from
> sounddiver.
So one can't access the VL voices at all? Doh!
It's not very likely, but probably they just forgot the dump requests
in the documentation. No surprise that you cannot request most of the
items with SoundDiver because often "key remote" commands were
used to
do the requests (i.e. commands that press virtually a key on the
VL70-m's front panel. That's certainly not compatible with the MU100R).
However, Internal Voices are requested with ordinary dump requests.
Don't these work either?
In the files area of this yahoogroups mailing list there are a few
VL70-m voices in SoundDiver format. You can try to transmit these to
your MU100R.
--- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, Ingo Debus <debus@c...>
wrote:
> In the files area of this yahoogroups mailing list there are a few
VL70-m voices in SoundDiver format. You can try to transmit these to
your MU100R.
I tried them and they work :-)
After some problems with my Sounddiver installation (or was it my
MIDI drivers) I managed to get the VL70-m adaptation working with my
MU100R late night yesterday.
I really don't know why, but now also VL70-m SYSEX files send to the
MU100R via MidiOX work as well as using LIB files in Yamahas Expert
Editor.
Thanks a lot for your guidance!
Peter
Can some one please help me with?
I have installed Logic Gold 6 under OSX and I have Sound Diver for Line 6
POD (it
came free with the POD). I can both use them under OSX (SD with classic) but
not
together. What could be the problem?
I can't scan my zenTera amp. I have a midiman usb 2x2, on start up,
the prog doesn't recognize the amp. It does manually by clicking on
the computer icone, but the scanning session last forever. Today I
stopped after 6 hours, and the scanning was steal running! is it
normal that the scanning last so long?
I tried also to download the update and i just can't install it.
I have the Stuffit program but but it did'nt work, or I don't know
how to do it.
Can someone tell me how to install the update.
But first, I really want to know how to scan and update my zenTera.
--- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, "alexnowak2000"
<alexnowak2000@y...> wrote:
> Can some one please help me with?
> I have installed Logic Gold 6 under OSX and I have Sound Diver for
Line 6 POD (it
> came free with the POD). I can both use them under OSX (SD with
classic) but not
> together. What could be the problem?
Since Logic (OSX) and sounddiver (OS9) are running in different memory
spaces they cannot see each other. if you search through here you will
see that there are more than a couple of us who are disapointed with
emagic's non update of SD to work under OSX.
sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
ken;
Am 16.10.2003 um 17:21 schrieb tuba342002:
> I can't scan my zenTera amp. I have a midiman usb 2x2, on start up,
> the prog doesn't recognize the amp. It does manually by clicking on
> the computer icone, but the scanning session last forever. Today I
> stopped after 6 hours, and the scanning was steal running! is it
> normal that the scanning last so long?
> I tried also to download the update and i just can't install it.
> I have the Stuffit program but but it did'nt work, or I don't know
> how to do it.
> Can someone tell me how to install the update.
> But first, I really want to know how to scan and update my zenTera.
This problem is known and already fixed. Please be patient.
Beste Gruesse - best regards,
Michael Haydn
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dipl.-Inform. Univ. Michael Haydn mhaydn@...
SoundDiver Group Executive http://www.emagic.de/
Logic Developer (Logic Control integration)
Emagic Soft- & Hardware GmbH - Germany Phone: +49 4101 495 0
Halstenbeker Weg 96, 25462 Rellingen Fax : +49 4101 495 199
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Patient for what?
Heh...
Jake Eyre
e: jake@...
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From: Michael Haydn [mailto:mhaydn@...]
Sent: 16 October 2003 21:18
To: sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SoundDiver] Problem scanning my zen Tera why SD
Am 16.10.2003 um 17:21 schrieb tuba342002:
> I can't scan my zenTera amp. I have a midiman usb 2x2, on start up,
> the prog doesn't recognize the amp. It does manually by clicking on
> the computer icone, but the scanning session last forever. Today I
> stopped after 6 hours, and the scanning was steal running! is it
> normal that the scanning last so long?
> I tried also to download the update and i just can't install it.
> I have the Stuffit program but but it did'nt work, or I don't know how
> to do it.
> Can someone tell me how to install the update.
> But first, I really want to know how to scan and update my zenTera.
This problem is known and already fixed. Please be patient.
Beste Gruesse - best regards,
Michael Haydn
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dipl.-Inform. Univ. Michael Haydn mhaydn@...
SoundDiver Group Executive http://www.emagic.de/
Logic Developer (Logic Control integration)
Emagic Soft- & Hardware GmbH - Germany Phone: +49 4101 495 0
Halstenbeker Weg 96, 25462 Rellingen Fax : +49 4101 495 199
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Patient of what? waiting more than 6 hours to finish the scan and
then update the amp, or patient of the new update of the SD prog with
that bugg fixed?
I don't feel waiting an extra 6 hours -ans maybe more- for nothing!
--- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, Michael Haydn <mhaydn@m...>
wrote:
>
> Am 16.10.2003 um 17:21 schrieb tuba342002:
>
> > I can't scan my zenTera amp. I have a midiman usb 2x2, on start
up,
> > the prog doesn't recognize the amp. It does manually by clicking
on
> > the computer icone, but the scanning session last forever. Today I
> > stopped after 6 hours, and the scanning was steal running! is it
> > normal that the scanning last so long?
> > I tried also to download the update and i just can't install it.
> > I have the Stuffit program but but it did'nt work, or I don't know
> > how to do it.
> > Can someone tell me how to install the update.
> > But first, I really want to know how to scan and update my
zenTera.
>
> This problem is known and already fixed. Please be patient.
>
> Beste Gruesse - best regards,
> Michael Haydn
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Dipl.-Inform. Univ. Michael Haydn mhaydn@e...
> SoundDiver Group Executive http://www.emagic.de/
> Logic Developer (Logic Control integration)
> Emagic Soft- & Hardware GmbH - Germany Phone: +49 4101 495 0
> Halstenbeker Weg 96, 25462 Rellingen Fax : +49 4101 495 199
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Hello -
I am a new member of this forum, and would like to describe a problem I am
having. I have searched the archives for "Supernova",
"Wavestation", "Crash", "Windows XP", but
really haven't found a satisfactory answer. The problem isn't really just a
Supernova II problem (great editing interface!). I have a Carillon computer
with Windows XP Pro installed, and am using the latest version of SoundDiver
(I have had this problem with all versions). I have the Supernova, a
Wavestation, a Xpander and a Drehbank installed. First question: I have
noticed I cannot get complete dumps from these instruments, for example the
Wavestation SR will not transmit all of its patches. Second, frequently I
make the mistake of left-clicking on a patch or performance in SoundDiver -
this can crash my entire computer, causing it to restart. This can happen
from either a library file or from the view of instrument contents when one
opens an instrument. Of these problems, the most troubling is the system
crashes. Finally, when I am in a library and want to edit a patch (this
happens in all instruments), sometimes I can only get a performance edit
view, or an arpeggiator view, etc - in otherwords the program seems to get
stuck on a particular edit view even though I am switching between different
functions of the synthesizer.
Anyone have any tips on where to begin? This is a powerful editing program,
but I am afraid of using it!
Thanks
All - Tales of woe! So, any tips out there on getting SD to work on
a XP Pro machine? Mac users - how does XP work on a Mac, do I need
to get one just for editing my synths?
Thanks!
Kailas
SD 3.05 works fine on my Dell with XP home ed. What kind of midi int are you
using? I was orig using 2 MTP-AVs but data transfer was very unreliable.
Switched to Unitor LL and AMT8 and since no problems
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From: "circlingkailas2002" <cynthiaoksanen@...>
To: <sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: [SoundDiver] Oh my god, I just did a search for "crash"
"windows
XP"
> All - Tales of woe! So, any tips out there on getting SD to work on
> a XP Pro machine? Mac users - how does XP work on a Mac, do I need
> to get one just for editing my synths?
> Thanks!
> Kailas
>
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Greetings!
This is my first post and I am hoping I can find some help. For the
past 5 months I have been pulling my hair out trying to get
Sounddiver to work with my Line 6 Pod Pro.
I am using a midisport 1x1 midi controller which works like a charm
on my other midi devices. I followed Line 6's instructions to a tee
and this is the message I get when Sonddiver initially scans the Pod:
Sysex Communication Error:
Pod Pro didn't respond
Please check if
- the device is connected with the computer in both directions
- the midi in and out ports are connected
- the device ID matches
The first two are ok but I am a tad fuzzy on the whole device ID
stuff and maybe something is set up wrong. All I know is I have
upgraded, uninstalled, reinstalled, rebooted, contacted tech support
from all 3 companies and am still in the same prediciment.
Hopefully someone has had similiar problems and can help me out. I
have had this software for 5 months and have yet to use it
correctly. On a side note, if I switch the midi cables around on the
POD so the in goes to the in and the out goes to the out I am able
to transfer data to the Pod but cannot receive. when everything is
hooked up correctly per Line 6's directions I can neither receive or
transmit.
Thanks in advance! I am glad I found this group!
Bryan
I'm trying to get the Roland GR-33 adaptation working with little
success. I had a Roland GR-30 and the GR-30 adaptation worked fine with
it. However, the GR-33 adaptation just plain refuses to talk to the
device. Interestingly, if I use the GR-30 adaptation with the GR-33 I
do get some interaction with the GR-33 device so I am quite certain all
the MIDI connections are correct. I have SD talking fine to an XV-88
and as I said the GR0-30 use to work very nicely as well. This GR-33 is
a fairly recent purchase so perhaps something has changed in either the
device ID (the docs and adaptation both seem to agree that it should be
16 decimal or 10H) or the model ID (the docs and adaptation both agree
that it should be 00 30H)?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since I am heavily
dependent on being able to edit patches from SD.
PcF
p.s. An aside to Michael Haydn concerning the Roland GT-5 effect pedal:
would there be any hope of success in modifying the GT-5 adaptation to
play nice with a GT-3 or would an adaptation need to be started from
scratch?
Interesting - I have a Carillon with XP Pro, and a MOTU Miditimepiece
AV. So, maybe the issue is the Midi box? Thanks
--- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Wolinsky"
<mwolinsky@c...> wrote:
> SD 3.05 works fine on my Dell with XP home ed. What kind of midi
int are you
> using? I was orig using 2 MTP-AVs but data transfer was very
unreliable.
> Switched to Unitor LL and AMT8 and since no problems
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "circlingkailas2002" <cynthiaoksanen@s...>
> To: <sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:40 AM
> Subject: [SoundDiver] Oh my god, I just did a search
for "crash" "windows
> XP"
>
>
> > All - Tales of woe! So, any tips out there on getting SD to work
on
> > a XP Pro machine? Mac users - how does XP work on a Mac, do I
need
> > to get one just for editing my synths?
> > Thanks!
> > Kailas
> >
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Am 18.10.2003 um 18:11 schrieb Paul Fisher:
> p.s. An aside to Michael Haydn concerning the Roland GT-5 effect pedal:
> would there be any hope of success in modifying the GT-5 adaptation to
> play nice with a GT-3 or would an adaptation need to be started from
> scratch?
I don't know, as I don't have the documentation.
Beste Gruesse - best regards,
Michael Haydn
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Ya motu's stuff really is not quality. It sucks in a matter of terms.
-----Original Message-----
From: circlingkailas2002 [mailto:cynthiaoksanen@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 2:45 PM
To: sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SoundDiver] Oh my god, I just did a search for
"crash"
"windows XP"
Interesting - I have a Carillon with XP Pro, and a MOTU Miditimepiece
AV. So, maybe the issue is the Midi box? Thanks
--- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Wolinsky"
<mwolinsky@c...> wrote:
> SD 3.05 works fine on my Dell with XP home ed. What kind of midi
int are you
> using? I was orig using 2 MTP-AVs but data transfer was very
unreliable.
> Switched to Unitor LL and AMT8 and since no problems
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "circlingkailas2002" <cynthiaoksanen@s...>
> To: <sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:40 AM
> Subject: [SoundDiver] Oh my god, I just did a search
for "crash" "windows
> XP"
>
>
> > All - Tales of woe! So, any tips out there on getting SD to work
on
> > a XP Pro machine? Mac users - how does XP work on a Mac, do I
need
> > to get one just for editing my synths?
> > Thanks!
> > Kailas
> >
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Just to clarify, with the MTP-AV the PC did not crash. But trying to
transfer more then 1 patch at a time really screwed things up . In fact I
almost sent my FS1Rs back to Yamaha due to the corrupted data it received
and only after I removed the FS1R battery could I resolve the lock up. BTW
I never got a difinitive answer on what was going on and you may not either.
Its hard to say whether the MTP windows XP drivers are faulty of if
Sounddiver has some fickle code that only works reliably with their own
hardware. I ended up taking a chance and buying the UnitorMark II and AMT8.
Fortunately that workwed for me. Good luck.
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From: "circlingkailas2002" <cynthiaoksanen@...>
To: <sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SoundDiver] Oh my god, I just did a search for
"crash"
"windows XP"
> Interesting - I have a Carillon with XP Pro, and a MOTU Miditimepiece
> AV. So, maybe the issue is the Midi box? Thanks
>
> --- In sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Wolinsky"
> <mwolinsky@c...> wrote:
> > SD 3.05 works fine on my Dell with XP home ed. What kind of midi
> int are you
> > using? I was orig using 2 MTP-AVs but data transfer was very
> unreliable.
> > Switched to Unitor LL and AMT8 and since no problems
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "circlingkailas2002" <cynthiaoksanen@s...>
> > To: <sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:40 AM
> > Subject: [SoundDiver] Oh my god, I just did a search
> for "crash" "windows
> > XP"
> >
> >
> > > All - Tales of woe! So, any tips out there on getting SD to
work
> on
> > > a XP Pro machine? Mac users - how does XP work on a Mac, do I
> need
> > > to get one just for editing my synths?
> > > Thanks!
> > > Kailas
> > >
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