Mark Pulver wrote: > Cyril Blanc (06:15 PM 05/29/02) wrote: > > >Hello Ingo, > > Hi Cyril; > > It's probably not a good idea to have this discussion in public. Why ? Don't you think that other SoundDivers user would be interested. For once there is a _very_ interesting conversation on SD's list > Best -- Cyril Blanc ______________________________________________________ mailto:blanc.cyril@... 92350 Plessis Robinson France The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh.

Like Jeremy, I am setting up SoundDiver with my MIDI devices and have come to a block with the Boss GX-700. SD has a complete module/adaptation for the GX700 but the following happens when I scan the device. after finding the GX700: the SD finds the first patch (Studio Space) then a dialog box states "illegal Index" - clearing that message SD and 700 both continue to send MIDI, but both fail to communicate. If I turn off the GX700 and then turn it back on, SD will "complete" reading in the data, but no more information is displayed in the device window. I looked into the author's adaptation but at this time I do not understand it's innerworkings. I am using SD 3 and the GX-700 has the 1.05 frimware eeprom. Anyone else have this problem and found a solution?

Mark Pulver wrote: > Cyril Blanc (06:27 PM 05/29/02) wrote: > > >Mark Pulver wrote: > > > >> It's probably not a good idea to have this discussion in public. > > > >Why ? > > > >Don't you think that other SoundDivers user would be interested. > >For once there is a _very_ interesting conversation on SD's list > > Because you're asking if people get paid to do this - that's a > business consideration between EMagic and the developer. Not _all_ > developers are treated the same. The contracts they have with EMagic > are dealt with on a one-by-one basis. > > One developer may be being paid less (or not at all) while another > developer is being paid more. I understand now that it was the "paid" subject that bother you ; I thought it was about the "making of adaptation" It's only by reading the SD developemnt manual that I found out that Emagic was willing to pay per adaptations. May be I could make a little money with the A6 adaptation :-) :-) :-) or get a Logic Control free :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) and why not an XT :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D I did not ask him how much, because I know it's a difficult subject in Europe. ;-) Ok I will be a good guy and I will only speak on technical issue :-) :-) Best -- Cyril Blanc ______________________________________________________ mailto:blanc.cyril@... 92350 Plessis Robinson France The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyril Blanc" <blanc.cyril@...> To: "Mark Pulver" <mark@...>; <sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com> > Mark Pulver wrote: > > ..........Not _all_ > > developers are treated the same. The contracts they have with EMagic > > are dealt with on a one-by-one basis. > > > > One developer may be being paid less (or not at all) while another > > developer is being paid more. > Now THAT is interesting, indeed..... Matthias

I did find a partial work around. I too only received the first patch when requesting data. What I did was to highlight/select all areas where the patches would go(i don't remember what their called at the moment)then on the GX-700 face panel scroll through the system options till you find the write data section and select Parameter 1 - Parameter 100 and then push the write button on the front panel of the GX-700 and my SD received the first 100 patches. I don't know how the get the rest of the patches out. I believe it holds 200 patches 100 presets & 100 users. I found this info in the GX-700 users manual. If you need details on this e-mail me privately I can send you copies from the manual if you don't have them. I also wanted to say I purchased sound diver to edit patches on my midi gear. And I can only edit on my one device an Ensoniq SQ-1 plus32. I assumed since GX-700 was a supported device I would be able to do this but I cannot. Also would like support for my ART Effects Network. Plus the integration into Logic Audio. I am new to both programs but have yet to figure out the benefits of using both together. As for an editor/librarian I should have used a free one off the net and just dumped/pushed the data from each device to it, seeing that's what I'm doing in SD anyway. jeremysix --- jay0mann <jay0mann@...> wrote: > Like Jeremy, I am setting up SoundDiver with my > MIDI devices and have come to a block with the Boss GX-700.SD has a complete module/adaptation for the GX700 but the following happens when I scan the device. after finding the GX700: the SD finds the first patch (Studio Space) then a dialog box states "illegal Index" - clearing that message SD and 700 both continue to send MIDI, but both fail to communicate. If I turn off the GX700 and then turn it back on, SD will "complete" reading in the data, but no more information is displayed in the device window. I am using SD 3 and the GX-700 has the 1.05 firmware eepro. Anyone else have this problem and found a solution? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

Jeremysix, Thanks for the tip on writing the patches to the selected Patch area - I'll try that. I do have the manual, but I am tempted to email Roland to see if they can send me the detailed midi spec sheet for the GX-700. I would like to see if the adaptation might have a typo or incorrect numeric value that is confusing SD. From the little work that I have applied to SD, I believe that editing the GX-700 is only in the edit buffer. I do not know about writing this info into a User Patch. Probably not. Also, I am in the same situation that you are regarding using EMagic software. Both SD and Logic are new to me. And the ability to take the patch name from SD into the Logic track list or select an instrument in Logic and have SD update the sythn are the main benefits. Check out the SD Manual at page 364... for AutoLink matchup problems. I wish setup could be a little bit easier. Thanks again and good luck. j0m

All, I have posted my SoundDiver (Super)Nova (II) Release 2.0 adaptations in the Utilities section of www.StrawberryEmu.com They feature Librarian functionality, full editing capabilities for Performance, Program, Arpeggiator and Global parameters as well as cross-referencing of Programs in Sound Categories, Programs in Performances and Arpeggiator Patterns in Programs and Performances. New parameters have been added for OS2. All versions including the Nova and Supernova 1 have a Pause inserted between messages so you can use the Send pause parameter to slow or speed up transmission according to the capabilities of your Midi Interface. Nova II owners will have to wait until Novation release OS2 for your machine to use the adaptation. Any troubles let me know. Note that the Help text is currently for Windows only, but I hope that Michael will kindly translate it for the Mac in due course. Regards Murray Webster

Hellos, haven't posted here in a while. I roginally bought Sound Diver to use as a librarian with intent of sending program bank changes. When I found it dealt more so with storing programming data only, I stopped using it for a while since it wasn't practical for my situation. Well, now that I am working at home and only have one XV-5080 instead of 8, it may come in handy. Here's what I am trying to acheive (I am in the process of reading the manuals, but someone else might know): Sine I am using the XV-5080 in performance mode, it would be nice to store/save performances for each song. This is pretty simple. But is there an easy way to associate it with a Logic session? For example, I load a song in Logic and it loads, or at least contains the patches I created in Sound Diver? I am also interested in using it to store the program data for each song as well in case I want to tweak the individual sounds used in that song. I can do all of this now, but it involves going back and forth between applications and isn't very efficient. I hpe I explained myself clearly enough, if not I will fill in any details I missed. Thanks! Colin Miller

--- In sounddiver-users@y..., Mark Pulver <mark@m...> wrote: > It's probably not a good idea to have this discussion in public. > > Can I suggest that you please not send your side of the conversation with > Ingo to the list? > > > Thank you. > > Mark That's a very bold statement for a single voice in a group of 2397 international members!! I agree with the growing number of interested readers - very interesting indeed. Actually, learning and sharing from such discussions I believe, were the initial intentions of a "public service" such as this message center?? If we all new this stuff we wouldn't be here. I hope these boards don't simply become critic reviews of software and hardware products. Instead provide thoughtfull insight into how, why, and when to use them. Mr. Haydn's replies I enjoy and purposefully seek out as a professional and well informed... as he certainly is, and the interaction between Ingo, Cyril, and any member of this group is reassuring and definately interesting. Exspecially!! since some day I really want to acuire an A6 myself ;-) Cheers and keep the information flowing, Robert Page

----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Miller" <snoopy@...> To: <sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:44 AM Subject: [SoundDiver] Sound Diver, XV-5080, and Logic > Hellos, haven't posted here in a while. > > I roginally bought Sound Diver to use as a librarian with intent of sending > program bank changes. When I found it dealt more so with storing programming > data only, I stopped using it for a while since it wasn't practical for my > situation. Well, now that I am working at home and only have one XV-5080 > instead of 8, it may come in handy. Here's what I am trying to acheive (I am > in the process of reading the manuals, but someone else might know): > > Sine I am using the XV-5080 in performance mode, it would be nice to > store/save performances for each song. This is pretty simple. But is there an > easy way to associate it with a Logic session? For example, I load a song in > Logic and it loads, or at least contains the patches I created in Sound > Diver? I am also interested in using it to store the program data for each > song as well in case I want to tweak the individual sounds used in that song. > I can do all of this now, but it involves going back and forth between > applications and isn't very efficient. I hpe I explained myself clearly > enough, if not I will fill in any details I missed. Thanks! > > Colin Miller I am not sure what you are asking. I too have the XV 5080. I f you wish to save your performance with your song then you can by going to the system/utility and data transfer making sure that you save the temp to midi selected. of course you need to have a free midi track ready to record in Logic Also be sure that you do not have the midi filters on in Logic. In less you have tweaked the patches on the XV you need not save them. But if you have Smartmedia card for the XV you can save them there. Plus Soundiver can see these as well . I have 8 extra banks of patches on the XV via Smartmedia and Logic can access them via a multi inst., very convenient! Soundiver can also save the performance as well. BTW Soundiver is in fact a very good librarian. If this is not what you are asking please let me know. I for one love my XV 5080 and Logic + SD +LC combo. Best John

At 22:44 -0700 30.05.02, Colin Miller wrote: >Sine I am using the XV-5080 in performance mode, it would be nice to >store/save performances for each song. This is pretty simple. But is there an >easy way to associate it with a Logic session? For example, I load a song in >Logic and it loads, or at least contains the patches I created in Sound >Diver? I am also interested in using it to store the program data for each >song as well in case I want to tweak the individual sounds used in that song. >I can do all of this now, but it involves going back and forth between >applications and isn't very efficient. I hpe I explained myself clearly >enough, if not I will fill in any details I missed. Thanks! See the user manual, page 370 -- Beste Gruesse - best regards, Michael Haydn EMAGIC Soft- und Hardware GmbH SoundDiver Group Executive Logic Developer (Logic Control integration) Unitor8 Control Project Manager

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Oh, I'm in the US btw. Sorry... Ron Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not. ********************************* Online presence: http://ronwestb12.com <----Studio B12 http://www.mp3.com/ronwest <----electronic music aim: ronwestb12 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Try the MIDI-Store. http://www.cdbm.com/shop/start.cgi or for a direct link to the SoundDiver page http://www.cdbm.com/shop/detail.cgi?id9320 I've ordered from them many times, and I highly recommend them. Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron West [mailto:ronwest@...] > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:49 AM > To: sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [SoundDiver] WTB: SoundDiver 3 > > Oh, I'm in the US btw. Sorry... > > Ron > > Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not. > > ********************************* > Online presence: > http://ronwestb12.com <----Studio B12 > http://www.mp3.com/ronwest <----electronic music > aim: ronwestb12 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

----- Original Message ----- From: Patrice Weisz To: Michael Haydn Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: XV-88 and 03D questions Hello I'm a new user of SD. I've got a MidiMan MidiSport 4x4, Yamaha 03D, Roland XV-88 and Korg MS2000R, Phat-Boy midi controler With my Korg MS2000R everything works fine for now 1) I've already tried Roland XV-88 adaptation beta version and I like it. But I don't understand how can I edit parameters from Rom presets. The only way I found is to select the preset by hand on the synthe itself. Do you have another solution ? I use Windows XP Pro and I have to wait a long time for incoming datas. Sometimes SD hangs and I can't kill it. I've to reboot my computer. 2) Do you know if there is another adaptation for my Yamaha 03D mixer ? Because there is only few editors (no editors for effects, dynamics, busses, etc.) 3) I've got also a Phat-boy midi controller. I'm able to control parameters of the XV-88 in Learn mode but I'm looking for an easier way to set which controller of the Phat-boy is linked with which parameter. Do you know if it is possible to have an universal adaptator for this device ? 4) Is it possible with SD to patch XV-88 as a keyboard master to test new sounds of the Korg MS2000R ? I can set ouput of XV to input of the MS2000R in the Setup view but nothing appens. Thanks by advance Patrice Weisz Paris-France

Excellent! I ordered it and it will be here on Monday or Tuesday. Thanks for the tip Troy! :) Ron >Try the MIDI-Store. >http://www.cdbm.com/shop/start.cgi >or for a direct link to the SoundDiver page >http://www.cdbm.com/shop/detail.cgi?id9320 > >I've ordered from them many times, and I highly recommend them. >Troy > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron West [mailto:ronwest@...] > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:49 AM > > To: sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [SoundDiver] WTB: SoundDiver 3 > > > > Oh, I'm in the US btw. Sorry... > > > > Ron > > > > Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is >not. > > > > ********************************* > > Online presence: > > http://ronwestb12.com <----Studio B12 > > http://www.mp3.com/ronwest <----electronic music > > aim: ronwestb12 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Ron Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not. ********************************* Online presence: http://ronwestb12.com <----Studio B12 http://www.mp3.com/ronwest <----electronic music aim: ronwestb12 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

On Friday 31 May 2002 08:02 am, John wrote: > > Colin Miller > > I am not sure what you are asking. I too have the XV 5080. I f you wish to > save your performance with your song then you can by going to the > system/utility and data transfer making sure that you save the temp to > midi selected. of course you need to have a free midi track ready to record > in Logic Also be sure that you do not have the midi filters on in Logic. In > less you have tweaked the patches on the XV you need not save them. But if > you have Smartmedia card for the XV you can save them there. Plus Soundiver > can see these as well . I have 8 extra banks of patches on the XV via > Smartmedia and Logic can access them via a multi inst., very convenient! > Soundiver can also save the performance as well. BTW Soundiver is in fact a > very good librarian. > If this is not what you are asking please let me know. I for one love my XV > 5080 and Logic + SD +LC combo. > > Best > John Well, normally one would use the 'Save Library for Logic Song', or 'Save entries for Logic Song'. But I think that will just store the patches from each individual channel and then load them when loading the song. However I am not sure if this will address both the performance AND the patches as well. So both the performance AND the patches can be tweaked as the song is worked on, and transfered from studio to studio. I still have some experimenting to do. I agree that Sound Diver is a good librarian if you are a sound designer, but not so good for a programmer. If you want to audition through every bass patch in your setup quickly (ie in front of client), you have to load the program data for each sound rather than send program changes. This can be extremely slow and tedious if you just want to quickly audition through them. Programmers are often told 'give me a such and such type of sound'. Well, Sound Diver does not yet provide a very efficient means of doing this. This issue of course as we have been told is being addressed in the next major update. I do hope 2.05 at least will be coming soon though, or at least an update to the Triton rack module. PS - Using MIDI sysex tracks is not really what I would like. Would be nice if this was done upon loading the song. But it could be that it's the only means, I will keep looking into it. Perhaps I could buy a smart media card and just copy the performance/patches over to it for every song, but it would be nice if it was all neatly packages in the session file with everything else. Colin Miller

I do hope 2.05 at least will be coming soon though, or > at least an update to the Triton rack module. Oops, meant 3.05. It also seems that I can't even get 'new> save library for logic song' to work. Just creates an empty library. Maybe this is due to autolink not working right on the Triton (first midi object in my setup). Sound diver can talk to it directly, as can Logic, but I can never update the sound names via autolink (they have matching settings), but the other modules, such as the XV-5080 have no problem. Still, not even the patches specified via program change in logic for the 5080 are put in the newly created library. Also, if I use the update logic instrument command, it then changes the device on that track to 'all' instead of a patch on the already selected MIDI channel of the device. This is my first attempt at using the 5080 in performance mode with Logic, so it could be something I am doing wrong. Thanks for any insight. Colin Miller

Does anyone know of a profile for the Roland Xv-5050? Or maybe one for the Xv-3080 or 5080 that might work with the XV-5050? Michael Haydn from Emagic said the the next version of SD "may" have a profile, but I need to get the 1,200 plus patch names into SD and Logic 5. Any suggestions? ( no, I don't have the smarts to create a profile for the 5050) Hmmm.... just thinking. Can you use the "generic" profile in SoundDiver to just load the patches from the Xv-5050, and then let autolink put them in Logic? For the time being I just need the names in Logic. Thanks Mike

----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Miller" <snoopy@...> To: <sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [SoundDiver] Sound Diver, XV-5080, and Logic > On Friday 31 May 2002 08:02 am, John wrote: > > > > Colin Miller > > > > I am not sure what you are asking. I too have the XV 5080. I f you wish to > > save your performance with your song then you can by going to the > > system/utility and data transfer making sure that you save the temp to > > midi selected. of course you need to have a free midi track ready to record > > in Logic Also be sure that you do not have the midi filters on in Logic. In > > less you have tweaked the patches on the XV you need not save them. But if > > you have Smartmedia card for the XV you can save them there. Plus Soundiver > > can see these as well . I have 8 extra banks of patches on the XV via > > Smartmedia and Logic can access them via a multi inst., very convenient! > > Soundiver can also save the performance as well. BTW Soundiver is in fact a > > very good librarian. > > If this is not what you are asking please let me know. I for one love my XV > > 5080 and Logic + SD +LC combo. > > > > Best > > John > > Well, normally one would use the 'Save Library for Logic Song', or 'Save > entries for Logic Song'. But I think that will just store the patches from > each individual channel and then load them when loading the song. However I > am not sure if this will address both the performance AND the patches as > well. So both the performance AND the patches can be tweaked as the song is > worked on, and transfered from studio to studio. I still have some > experimenting to do. > > I agree that Sound Diver is a good librarian if you are a sound designer, but > not so good for a programmer. If you want to audition through every bass > patch in your setup quickly (ie in front of client), you have to load the > program data for each sound rather than send program changes. This can be > extremely slow and tedious if you just want to quickly audition through them. > Programmers are often told 'give me a such and such type of sound'. Well, > Sound Diver does not yet provide a very efficient means of doing this. This > issue of course as we have been told is being addressed in the next major > update. I do hope 2.05 at least will be coming soon though, or at least an > update to the Triton rack module. > > PS - Using MIDI sysex tracks is not really what I would like. Would be nice if > this was done upon loading the song. But it could be that it's the only > means, I will keep looking into it. Perhaps I could buy a smart media card > and just copy the performance/patches over to it for every song, but it would > be nice if it was all neatly packages in the session file with everything > else. > > Colin Miller 1. If you wish to audition patches via SD I would avoid that if you can, reason is that the XV has a very cool audition built in.And you can select all of a type such as all the basses or just all the trumpets and so on. In others words if you need to audition patches use the XV itself. If you have tweaked a patch either via SD or the front panel of the XV you can still use the XV to audition it. If you are making custom patch in SD then it does take a lot time to hear the results using either or. 2. You do not need SD to save the type of data for your song and in the way you indicate you need it. Logic alone will do everything you need to do. When you save sysex data to a song file in Logic it is sent back to the XV the next time you open that song and hit play. If do not want the data sent back to the XV then mute that track. Patch data can be handled the same way. It all depends on what you choose to save. from the XV's transfer page. One caution here, changes made to patches and performances on the XV are kept in TEMP memory and are not saved when you turn off the XV or dumped unless you chose to save from TEMP to MIDI. You can also save them or copy them to a user area in order to keep them otherwise, they will be lost. Of course you can save them to SD and keep them there for future use. But, if you only wish to use the patch that you have tweaked for use in a single song in Logic then I think it is best to save it in Logic and bypass SD altogether. 3. Yes, Smartmedia is a great way to save any and all data that you wish from the XV. 4. SoundDiver is ideal for constructing new banks for the XV and storing them on Smartmedia to load into the XV every time you turn it on. The XV can access 8 more banks of patches then just what came from the factory. These 8 full banks more of different patches are stored on the SM card and can be auto loaded every time you turn on the XV. SD makes it a real breeze to organize and sort these new banks. Then upload to the XV and create you new banks on the SM card. They become part of the XV's repertory of sounds as if they were always there. Neat! SD makes it easy to do this. Not to memtion that SD can make these patches to begin with. I hope that I have addressed you questions and pointed you in the right direction or that I haven't simply bored you with useless info. Best John Se

>Does anyone know of a profile for the Roland Xv-5050? Or maybe one for >the Xv-3080 or 5080 that might work with the XV-5050? > >Michael Haydn from Emagic said the the next version of SD "may" have a >profile, but I need to get the 1,200 plus patch names into >SD and Logic 5. > >Any suggestions? ( no, I don't have the smarts to create a profile for >the 5050) http://www.sax.de/~gacki/Environment_XV.zip contains a Logic song with several Multiinstruments for the XV models. This includes all the Patch names and a couple of the expansions, too. You can customize this yourself, naturally. -- Malte Rogacki gacki@... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't forget to TURN ON THE SYNTHESIZER. Often this is the reason why you get no sound out of it." (ARP 2600 Owner's Manual) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi John Thanks for the response. It's been helpful. Let me however explain my situation a little better. The background is that I haven't had to use SD for a while because I am generally just finding sounds for a producer very quickly and there is never time to create sounds. This is why I can't wait for SD to be able to send bank/prg changes instead of data. However, now that I am working at home with my own gear, I find the need to edit the parameters of the sounds I am using to better fit the song. This includes not only the patches, but also the performances that use those patches (generally using performances for multitimbriality (I made up that word) and want to make adjustments to FX and such. For the most part I have been doing all this form the front panel of the 5080. What would be nice would be the ability to do all of this from the computer. I agree that it is easier to use the audioning from the unit (same with triton) which is what I did when I was working for someone else. However, it is inefficient to go over to the unit, find sounds, then go back and try to set the program changes, especially since the 5080 is always off by one number (0-127 vs 1-128). Now with Logic, you can select all the sounds, then in SD, build a library based just on the sounds used in Logic via autolink. For some reason however, this function just creates a blank library ( I could create the library manually, but this starts to take a lot of time). Becuase I am stuck at this point it's hard for me to tell if it will function as I need (once it is working). Will it also store the performance as well since it isn't something selected in Logic? (I doubt it). If I add the performance to the library manually, when I load the logic song, will it load both the performance and the patches, and have them both selected so the song plays back correctly? And of course there is the dilema of ROM sounds which can't be written back in the same location. This is probably why the library comes up blank, since it may not want to store program data from ROM banks. I may have to copy each sound to a user slot to store the data (I may not intially alter the sound, but later may want to) and then build the library. This e-mail is getting too lengthly already so I will quit while I am ahead. Perhaps the sysex dump may be best route, but I am not quite sure how to do that exactly. Can it be done so I just play the track with the data and the patches AND performances are loaded/selected so the song can be played correctly after that? Thanks! Colin Miller > > Colin Miller > > 1. If you wish to audition patches via SD I would avoid that if you can, > reason is that the XV has a very cool audition built in.And you can select > all of a type such as all the basses or just all the trumpets and so on. In > others words if you need to audition patches use the XV itself. If you have > tweaked a patch either via SD or the front panel of the XV you can still > use the XV to audition it. If you are making custom patch in SD then it > does take a lot time to hear the results using either or. > 2. You do not need SD to save the type of data for your song and in the way > you indicate you need it. Logic alone will do everything you need to do. > When you save sysex data to a song file in Logic it is sent back to the XV > the next time you open that song and hit play. If do not want the data sent > back to the XV then mute that track. Patch data can be handled the same > way. It all depends on what you choose to save. from the XV's transfer > page. One caution here, changes made to patches and performances on the XV > are kept in TEMP memory and are not saved when you turn off the XV or > dumped unless you chose to save from TEMP to MIDI. You can also save them > or copy them to a user area in order to keep them otherwise, they will be > lost. Of course you can save them to SD and keep them there for future use. > But, if you only wish to use the patch that you have tweaked for use in a > single song in Logic then I think it is best to save it in Logic and bypass > SD altogether. 3. Yes, Smartmedia is a great way to save any and all data > that you wish from the XV. > 4. SoundDiver is ideal for constructing new banks for the XV and storing > them on Smartmedia to load into the XV every time you turn it on. The XV > can access 8 more banks of patches then just what came from the factory. > These 8 full banks more of different patches are stored on the SM card and > can be auto loaded every time you turn on the XV. SD makes it a real breeze > to organize and sort these new banks. Then upload to the XV and create you > new banks on the SM card. They become part of the XV's repertory of sounds > as if they were always there. Neat! SD makes it easy to do this. Not to > memtion that SD can make these patches to begin with. > > I hope that I have addressed you questions and pointed you in the right > direction or that I haven't simply bored you with useless info. > > Best > John > > > Se > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

on 1.6.2002 8:44 AM, sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com at sounddiver-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Sound Diver, XV-5080, and Logic > > At 22:44 -0700 30.05.02, Colin Miller wrote: >> Sine I am using the XV-5080 in performance mode, it would be nice to >> store/save performances for each song. This is pretty simple. But is there an >> easy way to associate it with a Logic session? For example, I load a song in >> Logic and it loads, or at least contains the patches I created in Sound >> Diver? I am also interested in using it to store the program data for each >> song as well in case I want to tweak the individual sounds used in that song. >> I can do all of this now, but it involves going back and forth between >> applications and isn't very efficient. I hpe I explained myself clearly >> enough, if not I will fill in any details I missed. Thanks! > > See the user manual, page 370 > -- > > Beste Gruesse - best regards, > > Michael Haydn > EMAGIC Soft- und Hardware GmbH > SoundDiver Group Executive > Logic Developer (Logic Control integration) > Unitor8 Control Project Manager For some reason, this has never worked for me ;-/ as well as the 'Save Entries Used by Logic Instruments' For example. It can be a bit fiddly when say for example, you have a JV1010 set so that Performance selection is on Chan 16 and then you have various prg ch messages for other channels and you also want to have some variations on these programs........I think you know what I mean. The architecture gets a bit multilevel. The integration is not clean and simple. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Matt McKenzie-Smith PO Box 10395 Adelaide BC 5000 South Australia +618(0)82938282 +61(0)416 197 883 mattrixx@...

> PS - Using MIDI sysex tracks is not really what I would like. Would be nice if > this was done upon loading the song. But it could be that it's the only > means, I will keep looking into it. Perhaps I could buy a smart media card > and just copy the performance/patches over to it for every song, but it would > be nice if it was all neatly packages in the session file with everything > else. > > Colin Miller Sysex is just workaround AFAIC. ie It is not a dynamic way to work. It does not update automatically. I don't know about anyone else, but I am a fiddler (not the four stringed inst). I like to change and update patches and thus performances constantly.... this is one reason I still have my trinity close by when working. At least on that, I can select by category, Update the combination and save it regularly. I only need a prg ch message for the Global channel and then at the end of the job, I will just call the edit buffer or combi into the Diver window and build the lib from that. Anyone got better solutions. I, as I guess many others, would love to know how other people conduct their workflow with these two programs. regards, matt =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Matt McKenzie-Smith PO Box 10395 Adelaide BC 5000 South Australia +618(0)82938282 +61(0)416 197 883 mattrixx@...

Hi Colin > I agree that it is easier to use the auditioning from the unit (same with > triton) which is what I did when I was working for someone else. However, it > is inefficient to go over to the unit, find sounds, then go back and try to > set the program changes, especially since the 5080 is always off by one > number (0-127 vs 1-128). Logic is off by 1:-) > Now with Logic, you can select all the sounds, then in SD....., I don't understand, what sounds? If you mean "program changes" that is usually part of a song. > For some reason however, this function just creates a blank library ( I could create the library > manually, but this starts to take a lot of time). Not necessary, see above > Will it also store the performance as well Sysex will store any and all data that you need, that is what it is for. It becomes part of the song. In other sequencers one can also edit this data too. > If I add the performance to the library manually, when I load the logic song, will it load both the performance and > the patches, and have them both selected so the song plays back correctly? Yes, and no need for SD here. > And of course there is the dilema of ROM sounds which can't be written back > in the same location. Unnecessary. If they are presets then they need not be written back. Use program changes. I assume you have a multi inst. set up to access your XV 's patches. I have a number of multis so I can access all the patches and rhythm sets in my XV. Works likes a charm. > This e-mail is getting too lengthly already so I will quit while I am ahead. > Perhaps the sysex dump may be best route, but I am not quite sure how to do > that exactly. Can it be done so I just play the track with the data and the > patches AND performances are loaded/selected so the song can be played > correctly after that? Thanks! Exactly! Hey, I have seen you on the Logic Forum and you either give very good advice or ask interesting questions. If I have helped you even a little or have pointed out something that you may not have though about then this is really my pleasure, and if I can help let me know BTW How do you like the XV 5080? I Love it. Wait till you start to use samples in it:-) You may contact me at johnw1234@... Best John