Hi John Thanks agian for the reply. I am infact referring to the prgram data itself and not so much program changes. A basic scenario would be to start off with a present performance, pick some sounds on the individual channels of the performance. Then beable to edit the individual patches as well as the performance, then store all that info within the song/session and be able to continually edit both as the song progresses. No, SD is not needed just to store sysex info, but it is much more convenient for editing the patches/performances. Especially in real time, possibly even recording parameter changes with the sequence (who knows). Here's some of my findings so far: SD won't load/store the program data for ROM sounds and will only hold one ata time (which is loaded into the 5080 edit buffer. This is why my libraries are empty, it assumes I don't want to edit them and send them to new locations. Here is the solution I have worked out so far, but am not completely sure if it will work yet (still researching): Buying a smart media card and copying every patch in rom over to it. With this done (assuming thats possible) I will work with only the patches on the smart media so they are all editable. 2ndly, I my try to find a way to only send program changes for the performances in Logic, and not the individual patches within the performances. Then, I can use SD to edit the performances including selecting which patches to be used on each channel. The patch selection process within SD for the 5080 (editing a performance) is much more pleasant than patch selection from Logic's arrange window. With this theory, I will have a template performance that I will start with on every sequence, then when finished editing, i can save it from the edit buffer to a new performance location. Now Ideally I would be able to use the 'save logic sounds' option and it would save the performance data as well as the patch data for that parent performance with it in a file in the song folder. I have yet to test much of this so I am not sure what will and wont work. I am also unsure yet how to set up logic to send the program change for the performance only and autolink to detect it for the sake of building the library. What brough a lot of this about was actually while working on my Triton. I used a sound for a song. What I didn't realize was that the sound was created by mismatched combination/patches. When I did a bulk dump to the Triton, it fixed the problem (a problem i wasnt aware of) but deleted the patch. I cannot find a patch/combi that can replace the one I had, nor am I adept enough to program by ear. I want to be able to store all the data in a library with the songs and constantly tweak the patches as I get further intot he production of the song, even so far as the mix stage. > Logic is off by 1:-) I think this has been discussed so I assume there is no fix for this kinda situation like there is in cubase. If I am wrong, someone let me know!! :-) I also have a problem where my S6000 thinks C3 is a different octave than the display in the matrix window. I have to look into a workaround for that too. > Sysex will store any and all data that you need, that is what it is for. > It becomes part of the song. In other sequencers one can also edit this > data too. Definitely true, but having to continually do dumps is not as robust as sending parameter changes in SD. Also, theoretically when a library is stored in the song folder, it will load those patches into the modules when the song is loaded. Also, I am not sure how to record sysex for just the patches used for a particular song, and doing an entire dump on the Triton can take 2 hours for each direction. > I assume you have a multi inst. set up to access your XV 's patches. I have > a number of multis so I can access all the patches and rhythm sets in my > XV. Works likes a charm. Until now I have had access to many 5080s at once so they would all operate in patch mode and not performance. This allowed each to use its own FX. For that I set up a multi attached to a single instr. for each 5080. The multi to store the Patch names, and the singles do I didn't have sub menus for each 5080. Now that my situation has changed I may need to re organize my enviornment to better utilize it. Working with both patches and performances on the same module on the same song confuses me. Hopefully I will get the hang of it soon. Can it be done so I just play the track with the data and the patches AND performances are loaded/selected so the song can be played correctly after that? Thanks! > > Exactly! Hehe, but how?? :-) I'm a dummy with Sysex recording. > > Hey, I have seen you on the Logic Forum and you either give very good > advice or ask interesting questions. > > If I have helped you even a little or have pointed out something that you > may not have though about then this is really my pleasure, and if I can > help let me know You have been a big help and I really appreciate it! I feel like I am starting all over again now and it's pretty fun (though frustrating). > > BTW How do you like the XV 5080? I Love it. Wait till you start to use > samples in it:-) It has always been one of my favorites. I really want to try out the SRX-05 though and haven't seen it anywhere yet. I don't really have much intention of using the Sampler end though since I have an S6000 which I absolutely love. And, any idea what size Smart media card I would need to compy the entire internal memory of the 5080, and maybe have some space to spare for additional patches/performances? Or better yet, is there a site that explains all the details of using the smart media with a 5080? Thanks again! Colin Miller