Hey all, I've been using both Logic & DP for quite some time now-- primarily for scoring to picture these days. For whatever reason, each has had its advantages for particular projects, for me. However-- I'm now trying to make the switch to *just* Logic, to make my workflow a little quicker. There are 2 functions that I use regularly in DP that I just can't seem to get working quite right in Logic, and I'm wondering if someone can guide me-- I've scoured the manuals, and still I'm coming up short. 1) Tuplets. That is, if I want to put in a quick run in MIDI step record-- in DP, I can specify a particular note value ("5 in the place of 1 eighth note" for example, or "7 in the place of one quarter note"). In Logic, I don't seem to be able to do this. In the Matrix editor, I only seem to be able to type in values of 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 and so forth. If I want to type in a 7- tuplet or some odd figure like that with step record, how would I go about doing that? 2) Accurate *destructive* audio lengthening. If I have a piece of audio, and I want to destructively lengthen it by a fraction of a percent-- with pinpoint accuracy-- how can I do this? In most cases i want to lengthen the file 0.1% (effectively transposing it down 0.1%), so I can have my 24fps frame rate match up with someone's 23.98 project. I've tried the "Time & Pitch Machine"-- but unless I'm mistaken, if I try to lengthen it by 0.1% in that window, it will try to compensate for the pitch difference, and the conversion will take an inordinately long time. I really just want an old-school transposition-- lengthen the file 0.1%, and not worry about the downward transposition-- for the sake of a quick conversion. If I try to use the "Classic" algorithm, I can't get the accuracy of 0.1%, since I have to transpose by cents, and the tempo percentage values jumps past 0.1%. Thanks, all-- this group has been helpful before, so thanks for everything! Adam

Adam wrote: > 1) Tuplets. That is, if I want to put in a quick run in MIDI step record-- in DP, I can specify > a particular note value ("5 in the place of 1 eighth note" for example, or "7 in the place of > one quarter note"). In Logic, I don't seem to be able to do this. In the Matrix editor, I only > seem to be able to type in values of 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 and so forth. If I want to type in a 7- > tuplet or some odd figure like that with step record, how would I go about doing that? This can be done in the score editor. > 2) Accurate *destructive* audio lengthening. If I have a piece of audio, and I want to > destructively lengthen it by a fraction of a percent-- with pinpoint accuracy-- how can I > do this? In most cases i want to lengthen the file 0.1% (effectively transposing it down > 0.1%), so I can have my 24fps frame rate match up with someone's 23.98 project. > > I've tried the "Time & Pitch Machine" Try changing "Free" to "Classic" HTH, Bill

On 04.03.2007, at 21:28, Adam wrote: > I've tried the "Time & Pitch Machine"-- but unless I'm mistaken, if > I try to lengthen it by > 0.1% in that window, it will try to compensate for the pitch > difference, and the conversion > will take an inordinately long time. I really just want an old- > school transposition-- > lengthen the file 0.1%, and not worry about the downward > transposition-- for the sake of > a quick conversion. If I try to use the "Classic" algorithm, I > can't get the accuracy of 0.1%, > since I have to transpose by cents, and the tempo percentage values > jumps past 0.1%. Right, the Classic mode works with transposition only. I think in your case the "Harmonic Correction" is responsible for a tonal change. I have that usually off because it sounds better. It is not only a question of conversion speed. I just tried the following settings on a 4 min vocal track: Tempo Change (%): 0.1 Transposition (Cent): Free, 0 Harmonic Correction: Off Harmonic Shift (Cent): 0 It took 1:27 The same action with harmonic correction on took 1:37 Well, there is a difference although it is not day and night. BUT - The speed depends on the type of algorithm. I used the Serato "Pitch 'n Time LE" algorithm. Just out of curiosity I tried the same with Logic's "Any Material" setting and needed 4:52 for the same selection. Actually the selection is one of 9 takes in cycle mode, the complete original file is 9x4 min (44.1 kHz, 24 Bit). I would suggest not to guess what could be faster but rather try on a short part and use the method with the best sound. ___ Peter Ostry