Just wondering how you some of you beat programming guys do your step-programming in Logic. I'm primarily a film composer, so my step-programming needs are very limited. I suppose I can just point and click in the matrix window and adjust the volumes using the volume tool, but I wonder if there's a more elegant way of doing it. Likewise, anyone aware of any hardware controllers out there built specifically for this purpose?

On 3/2/07, Chris <christophertin@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Just wondering how you some of you beat programming guys do your > step-programming in > Logic. > > I'm primarily a film composer, so my step-programming needs are very > limited. I suppose I > can just point and click in the matrix window and adjust the volumes using > the volume tool, > but I wonder if there's a more elegant way of doing it. > > Likewise, anyone aware of any hardware controllers out there built > specifically for this > purpose? Ultrabeat offers a pretty effective step editor. It's very simple, but may be just what you need? As far as a HW box goes, i'm not hip to any. ~paulie

"Chris" <christophertin@hotmail.com> wrote: >Just wondering how you some of you beat programming >guys do your step-programming in Logic. >I'm primarily a film composer, so my step-programming needs >are very limited. I suppose I can just point and click in the >matrix window and adjust the volumes using the volume tool, >but I wonder if there's a more elegant way of doing it. Read the plugin manual (not the main reference guide) regarding Ultrabeat (audio instrument). "Chris" <christophertin@hotmail.com> wrote: >Likewise, anyone aware of any hardware controllers out >there built specifically for this purpose? I've never heard of any. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

> >Just wondering how you some of you beat programming > >guys do your step-programming in Logic. > >I'm primarily a film composer, so my step-programming needs > >are very limited. I suppose I can just point and click in the > >matrix window and adjust the volumes using the volume tool, > >but I wonder if there's a more elegant way of doing it. > > Read the plugin manual (not the main reference guide) regarding > Ultrabeat (audio instrument). > > "Chris" <christophertin@...> wrote: > >Likewise, anyone aware of any hardware controllers out > >there built specifically for this purpose? > > I've never heard of any. > > > > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> Well, I have to say, I don't like entering notes in Ultrabeat or the Matrix editor at all. I do it, but don't like it. I like to use hardware. I use a Yamaha RS7000 sequencer and can step or Grid edit sequences on it with groove setting and everything. Then I just record that into Logic as a midi track. It works pretty well, I just end up doing 1 more step (recording the RS midi into Logics midi), but it's worth it and WAAAAAY more fun to do than using a silly mouse to enter notes and give you carpal tunnel syndrome. My 2 cents. Nick

On 6/03/2007, at 1:44 AM, rids wrote: > >>> Just wondering how you some of you beat programming >>> guys do your step-programming in Logic. >>> I'm primarily a film composer, so my step-programming needs >>> are very limited. I suppose I can just point and click in the >>> matrix window and adjust the volumes using the volume tool, >>> but I wonder if there's a more elegant way of doing it. >> >> Read the plugin manual (not the main reference guide) regarding >> Ultrabeat (audio instrument). >> >> "Chris" <christophertin@...> wrote: >>> Likewise, anyone aware of any hardware controllers out >>> there built specifically for this purpose? >> >> I've never heard of any. >> >> >> >> >> f-erenc szabo, smarty pants >> Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T >> "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" >> <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > > > Well, I have to say, I don't like entering notes in Ultrabeat or the > Matrix editor at all. I do it, > but don't like it. I like to use hardware. I use a Yamaha RS7000 > sequencer and can step or > Grid edit sequences on it with groove setting and everything. Then I > just record that into > Logic as a midi track. It works pretty well, I just end up doing 1 > more step (recording the > RS midi into Logics midi), but it's worth it and WAAAAAY more fun to > do than using a silly > mouse to enter notes and give you carpal tunnel syndrome. > > My 2 cents. > > Nick > I used Logic for about 5 years before I got an MPC60II. Logic sucks for getting drum patterns in. I prefer the MPC.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "rids" <ridszero@...> wrote: > > > > >Just wondering how you some of you beat programming > > >guys do your step-programming in Logic. > > >, I don't like entering notes in Ultrabeat or the Matrix editor at all. I do it, > but don't like it. I For step time recording, what about using the MIDI In button in any of the MIDI editors? You play a note on your keyboard, and it enters the note at the SPL position. And the duration is set by the fromat value you have set in the MIDI editor window you are working in (Matrix, Event, Hyperedit). You can assign some key commands to easily change the format value in order to quickly and efficiently be able to enter notes of different durations. There's even a way to enter chords I think - can't remember exactly ow off hand. Also, with the MIDI In button; if you double click it - it will assign the velocity you play the note with, and allow you to correct mistakes of already selected notes by changing the pitch via your keyboard. All in all, it's a very efficient way of step entering data - provided you have a controller to work with. Eli Krantzberg

To be perfectly honest, one could use any of outboard sequencer, or more so, any of the MPC line. Currently, a portable, battery operated model , the MPC 500 is the latest addition. The MPC has a feature where u can set number of times fo a sound to loop, an in sequences, w/programable bank changing, etc. U can assign different samples to each pad, and w/maximum memry on the sequencer, were talking about literally programing all hits, loops, sound fx, the little oddities. FYI, I don't mean to sound redundant if anyone said anything similar. I don't concurr w/the comment of the MPC 60, b/c I've never one. U can also sync the MPC or whatever controller to read MTC, so u can have a chain of controller, or sequencer's ready to fire. I haven't used Logic to do anything film related, but as far as music, u can only arm one track @ a time. So if u use the MPC, you will want to route the audion into ur mac or PC of course. If u use a sequencer and want to use it and control sounds within computer or other instrument via midi, u can only play and/or record on 1 armed track @ a time. So if you're using AbSynth live for background sounds on instrument 1, u can't be recording on instrument 2, Battery 3, for example. U would have to do extensive overdubs and track each one individually. May I suggest using Logic w/a ReWire Midi sequencer such as Reason ? U could chain plenty of ReDrum computers, which enable 10 channels of seperate sample hits, less processing power than any of the machines mentioned. With a program like Reason, the number of different instrument combinations that can be used to achieve are as follows. You could create Rex files w/samples, and map them to your controller via Dr. Rex, or enable the NN19 Sampler, u could load several samples via NNXT. Email me for help if u would like a walkthrough w/Logic and ReWire w/ Reason @ cransom4611@hotmail.com. U can google MPC and MTC w/Logic. Hope this answers somebody's question-

On 06/03/2007, at 2:24 PM, elikca wrote: > > For step time recording, what about using the MIDI In button in any > of the MIDI editors? [snip] All this talk about step sequencers got me thinking weather those of us who have compatible control surfaces (I have Mackie Control & XT) might give us a hands on vibe using Ultrabeat's step sequencer. Well guess what. It does. In a simple test just now I was able to get my 16 V-Pots to work as on/ off switches for the 16 steps (or more with a bank switch) of whichever instrument I had selected. Very similar to the old Roland TR909/ 707 drum machines interface. It works OK but little or no thought has been put into taking anything like full advantage of the available potential. Currently you can turn notes on/ off and page right to then edit the velocities with V-pots also. How about a mode where the vpots turn notes on and off and faders control corresponding velocity - or even better a regular/ flip mode where the v-pots/ faders did notes and velocity where 0 = off and anything other = on with xxx velocity as set by the pot/ fader position. And how about the select or mute lights got used to show which step in the sequence the play line was at - just like it does in the software panel... Anyway dream on. Point is you can at least get dedicated on/ off buttons on a step sequencer in Logic with gear you may already own. Kind regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com major site overhaul feb 2007

Have you used the Hyper Editor for programming drums... it's a bit "old" but at least it gives a global view of the patterns and is incredibly flexible!