Hi I just got Logic the other day for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with DP and am having the, I gather, usual steep learning curve for some things in Logic. I am trying to record the audio output of a multi-timbral instrument (in this case DFHS Superior) just to get a sense of the signal flow. (THIS IS NOT A QUESTION ABOUT FREEZING!) I have been able to get the out put of DFHS to go to the respective Aux objects but I cannot for the life of me figure out how I can record the output of the Aux objects to an audio track. I thought I should be able to direct the out put of the Aux object via a bus or channel to a Track but that doesn't seem to be how it works in Logic. I have searched the Manual and futzed all day with this and I now appeal to the group to show me the light. TIA Dan Carter Dacart Music

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Carter <dacart@...> wrote: > I am trying to record the > audio output of a multi-timbral instrument (in this case DFHS > Superior) just to get a sense of the signal flow. (THIS IS NOT A > QUESTION ABOUT FREEZING!) I have been able to get the out put of > DFHS to go to the respective Aux objects but I cannot for the life > of me figure out how I can record the output of the Aux objects to > an audio track. I thought I should be able to direct the out put > of the Aux object via a bus or channel to a Track but that doesn't > seem to be how it works in Logic. Correct. Logic can't natively re-record anything. Option A: Solo the Instrument, solo the Aux, bounce, import the audio. Option B: If your audio hardware offers a loopback capability (or you can loopback via digital cable), set the Bus/Aux output appropriately and use that to re-record. Watch out for audio-offset issues if you need phase-coherence. Option C: Install Soundflower (inter-app audio) from http://www.cycling74.com Configure that and your normal interface as an "Aggregate Device" in AudioMIDI Setup. Set Logic to use the aggregate as its audio driver. Route the Aux output to a Soundflower output. Record that Soundflower input in Logic. Option D: Create an Input Object in the Logic environment audio layer (if not there already). This is just a regular Audio object with its "cha" parameter set to "input X". Insert a Noise Gate plugin on that. Set the gate sidechain to receive from the Track, Aux or Bus required. Set the gate to monitor the sidechain. Record that same input on a track in Logic. This is mono. Stereo will require a stereo Input object and a stereo-sidechain-monitorable plugin. Logic has none natively, I believe Elemental Audio's compressors can do so. John Pitcairn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - LC Xmu Logic/Mackie Control emulation & management, LC Xview software LC/MC display, Logic environments & stuff... Opus Locus - http://www.opuslocus.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "John Pitcairn" <johnp@...> wrote: > > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Carter <dacart@> wrote: > > I am trying to record the > > audio output of a multi-timbral instrument (in this case DFHS > > Superior) just to get a sense of the signal flow. (THIS IS NOT A > > QUESTION ABOUT FREEZING!) I have been able to get the out put of > > DFHS to go to the respective Aux objects but I cannot for the life > > of me figure out how I can record the output of the Aux objects to > > an audio track. I thought I should be able to direct the out put > > of the Aux object via a bus or channel to a Track but that doesn't > > seem to be how it works in Logic. > > Correct. Logic can't natively re-record anything. > > > Option A: > > Solo the Instrument, solo the Aux, bounce, import the audio. > > > Option B: > > If your audio hardware offers a loopback capability (or you can > loopback via digital cable), set the Bus/Aux output appropriately and > use that to re-record. Watch out for audio-offset issues if you need > phase-coherence. > > > Option C: > > Install Soundflower (inter-app audio) from http://www.cycling74.com > > Configure that and your normal interface as an "Aggregate Device" in > AudioMIDI Setup. > > Set Logic to use the aggregate as its audio driver. > > Route the Aux output to a Soundflower output. > > Record that Soundflower input in Logic. > > > Option D: > > Create an Input Object in the Logic environment audio layer (if not > there already). This is just a regular Audio object with its "cha" > parameter set to "input X". > > Insert a Noise Gate plugin on that. > > Set the gate sidechain to receive from the Track, Aux or Bus required. > > Set the gate to monitor the sidechain. > > Record that same input on a track in Logic. > > This is mono. Stereo will require a stereo Input object and a > stereo-sidechain-monitorable plugin. Logic has none natively, I > believe Elemental Audio's compressors can do so. > > John Pitcairn Mr. Pitcairn, you never fail to amaze me with the depth of your knowledge and your unfailing ability to express it simply and directly so that even an idiot like me can understand it. Thanks for clearly explaining four answers to a question that has popped up in my own mind over the years and while I've always worked around it with Option A, I certainly recognize the elegance of the other three. Sonny Keyes Ricochet Audio Toronto

<quotes repositioned and trimmed, footers removed by admin> On Feb 7, 2007, at 8:02 PM, John Pitcairn wrote: > Option D: > > Create an Input Object in the Logic environment audio layer (if not > there already). This is just a regular Audio object with its "cha" > parameter set to "input X". > > Insert a Noise Gate plugin on that. > > Set the gate sidechain to receive from the Track, Aux or Bus required. > > Set the gate to monitor the sidechain. > > Record that same input on a track in Logic. > > This is mono. Stereo will require a stereo Input object and a > stereo-sidechain-monitorable plugin. Logic has none natively, I > believe Elemental Audio's compressors can do so. > > John Pitcairn John, Thank for confirming my conclusions. I do find it astonishingly odd that Logic, for all of it's strengths that I am discovering, isn't able to internally bus it's own audio as DP is able to. Please don't take this as a DP vs Logic argument! Obviously both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses. I was just taken by surprise by this aspect of Logic. I have Soundflower so I'll see how that works for me. I'm taking a Logic seminar this weekend so I should be more up to speed after that. Again, much thanks Dan Carter Dacart Music

I am recording my synths to audio by patching a digital out to a digital in so as to avoid any extra AD/DA conversion. It would be really nice to be able to do that internally like I can in Pro Tools. I tried the Soundflower idea but even though I made an aggregate device with Soundflower and my MOTU 828, only the inputs and outputs of the 828 show up so that work around didn't work. Hans Jensen

On 13.02.2007, at 18:52, srdiver wrote: > I tried the Soundflower idea but even though I made an aggregate > device with Soundflower and my MOTU 828, only the inputs and > outputs of the 828 show > up so that work around didn't work. That sounds as if you haven't set the aggregated device as your audio device in Logic's audio driver preferences. ___ Peter Ostry

>> I tried the Soundflower idea but even though I made an aggregate >> device with Soundflower and my MOTU 828, only the inputs and >> outputs of the 828 show >> up so that work around didn't work. >That sounds as if you haven't set the aggregated device as your audio >device in Logic's audio driver preferences. ___ Peter Ostry I did, but only the 828¹s inputs and outputs showed up in Logic even with the aggregate device selected. Hans Jensen

> I am recording my synths to audio by patching a digital out to a digital in so as to avoid > any extra AD/DA conversion. It would be really nice to be able to do that internally (...) You can do it internally within Logic, only you'll have to use an ingenuous trick: monitoring the sidechain of a noise gate on an input object. The trick is described there: http:// logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?tP28 My best, David Nahmani Logic Pro Help, Apple Authorized Training Center http://www.LogicProHelp.com

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "srdiver" <searchdiver@...> wrote: > I tried the Soundflower idea but even though I made an aggregate > device with Soundflower and my MOTU 828, only the inputs and outputs > of the 828 show up so that work around didn't work. Did you also select the Aggregate as the audio driver in Logic's driver prefs, instead of the MOTU driver? Then the Soundflower i/o should show up after the last MOTU i/o in the channelstrip i/o section's popup menus. John Pitcairn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - LC Xmu Logic/Mackie Control emulation & management, LC Xview software LC/MC display, Logic environments & stuff... Opus Locus - http://www.opuslocus.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Kickin' Da Speaker" <kickindaspeaker@...> wrote: > You can do it internally within Logic, only you'll have to use an > ingenuous trick: monitoring the sidechain of a noise gate on an input > object. Heh. I was so pleased when I figured that one out a couple of years back - http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/index.php?showtopic#257 - hopefully Apple will address this particular shortcoming in Logic 8, perhaps the sidechain input menu items couldn't simply be appended to the i/o menu as record sources (or a submenu, and no, I don't know anything about Logic 8). John Pitcairn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - LC Xmu Logic/Mackie Control emulation & management, LC Xview software LC/MC display, Logic environments & stuff... Opus Locus - http://www.opuslocus.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -

On Feb 13, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Hans Jensen wrote: >>> I tried the Soundflower idea but even though I made an aggregate >>> device with Soundflower and my MOTU 828, only the inputs and >>> outputs of the 828 show >>> up so that work around didn't work. > >> That sounds as if you haven't set the aggregated device as your audio >> device in Logic's audio driver preferences. > ___ > Peter Ostry > > > I did, but only the 828’s inputs and outputs showed up in Logic > even with > the aggregate device selected. > > Hans Jensen > As someone who went through this recently here's the step by step. First and very importantly create the aggregate device in Audio/MIDI setup in Utilities. This means you are making both the Soundflower and the MOTU driver an aggregate device. I'm sorry if I'm sounding pedantic but this is the most important step. After that you choose the aggregate device in Logic and then make sure you have created Input AND Output Audio objects witin logic for the respective Soundflower channels. HTH Dan Carter Dacart Music