I am computer literate, but find that trying to learn Logic Pro from the Apple supplied documentation to be a mind-numbing tedious chore. They are very good at describing every screen, but in terms of trying to accomplish specific tasks, they are horrible. Does anybody have any recommendations for tutorials or learning materials that are useful? I'm aware of the macidol site and also wonder if the DTMS training DVD is useful (http:// www.digitalmediatraining.com/products/logicpro7/index.html? gclid=CLH1xNG36ogCFSZmYwodhVuSow)? Thanks, Bill

On Nov 28, 2006, at 2:16 PM, bill_prothero wrote: > 'm aware of the macidol site and also wonder if the DTMS training > DVD is useful (http:// > www.digitalmediatraining.com/products/logicpro7/index.html? > gclid=CLH1xNG36ogCFSZmYwodhVuSow)? It's absolutely excellent. In a very concise, clear way Jonathan Pearl takes you through Logic. He's a very experienced teacher of Logic at The City University of New York and he offers you the benefit of his many years of teaching experience through this DVD. The main stregnth of this DVD was it helped me to set up Logic in a way conducive to what I want do with it, it made me understand Window Sets, probably the most productive aspect of Logic to master, and includes many great tips on how to be productive in Logic. Logic is most useful when you understand the way to do things in Logic. Before I got the DVD I kept trying to get Logic to do things the way Digital Performer does them and it was flustering! The DVD doesn't give you the fish, so to speak, but it teaches you *how* to fish- infinitely more valuable! The DVD is pretty deep- I keep it handy and refer to it regularly- reminding myself of tips and pointers. I have also recommended it to several clients and they all seem to be better Logic users because of it! Keep in mind that it does not replace Apple's documentation, I still need to refer to the documentation for a lot of things. The DVD is all about getting started and helping you develop a good, efficient workflow and getting the most out of Logic. Of course you always have us to help you as well : ) Eddie IMS ProA/V

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "bill_prothero" <prothero@...> wrote: > > I am computer literate, but find that trying to learn Logic Pro from the Apple supplied > documentation to be a mind-numbing tedious chore. They are very good at describing every > screen, but in terms of trying to accomplish specific tasks, they are horrible. > > Does anybody have any recommendations for tutorials or learning materials that are useful? > > I'm aware of the macidol site and also wonder if the DTMS training DVD is useful (http:// > www.digitalmediatraining.com/products/logicpro7/index.html? > gclid=CLH1xNG36ogCFSZmYwodhVuSow)? > > Thanks, > Bill > http://www.macprovideo.com/ O.

--- bill_prothero <prothero@geol.ucsb.edu> wrote: > I am computer literate, but find that trying to > learn Logic Pro from the Apple supplied > documentation to be a mind-numbing tedious chore. > They are very good at describing every > screen, but in terms of trying to accomplish > specific tasks, they are horrible. > > Does anybody have any recommendations for tutorials > or learning materials that are useful? > > I'm aware of the macidol site and also wonder if the > DTMS training DVD is useful (http:// > www.digitalmediatraining.com/products/logicpro7/index.html? > gclid=CLH1xNG36ogCFSZmYwodhVuSow)? Just to piggyback onto this, I'm especially interested in opinions on the best way to learn the Score editor functionality. I'm aware of the Johannes Prichl (sp) documentation. Are there other resources out there? thanks very much in advance, A5

On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Eddie Sullivan wrote: > The DVD is pretty deep- I keep it handy and refer to it regularly- > reminding myself of tips and pointers. I have also recommended it to > several clients and they all seem to be better Logic users because of > it! > > Keep in mind that it does not replace Apple's documentation, I still > need to refer to the documentation for a lot of things. The DVD is > all about getting started and helping you develop a good, efficient > workflow and getting the most out of Logic. Thanks, Eddie. I'll go ahead and buy, or ask for Christmas, the DMT dvd. The price is right and it sounds right up my alley. Regards, Bill William A. Prothero Earth Education Online and http://earthednet.org/

On Nov 28, 2006, at 3:38 PM, "alberto cinco" alberto_cinco@yahoo.com wrote: > I'm especially interested > in opinions on the best way to learn the Score editor > functionality. I'm aware of the Johannes Prichl (sp) > documentation. Are there other resources out there? Not for score. Johannes Prischl's Logic Notation Guide PDF is the best, most complete available. I recommend it in my book, and I recommend it to anyone who asks. It's a bit outdated now (it was written for Logic 4.7, with an addendum for 4.8.1) but while the Score Editor has seen a face lift or two, it has hardly changed since then. Price is 33 euro. You can find his PDF at: http://prischl.net/LNG/index.htm Orren -- Author of: • Guitar Rig 2 Power • Logic 7 Ignite • Logic Pro 7 Power http://www.courseptr.com/ptr_searchResults.cfm? searchText=orren&submit=Go

alberto cinco <alberto_cinco@yahoo.com> wrote: > Just to piggyback onto this, I'm especially interested in opinions on the best way to learn the Score editor functionality. I'm aware of the Johannes Prichl (sp) documentation. Are there other resources out there? You may be interested in a newly available book called "Logic By Arrangement" by Sheldon Sper, published by Oxford University Press, which contains a considerable amount of information on using the score function in Logic Pro 7. I should declare an interest in that I was involved in proofreading the text. HTH, Jonathan

BTW for those of you in the L.A. area I am teaching a 1 day seminar on Logic's score editor on 1/28.07. http://www.logicprohelp.com/training.php www.jayasher.com Logic Certified Trainer

--- Jonathan Stapleton <forums@logic-users.org> wrote: > You may be interested in a newly available book > called "Logic By Arrangement" by Sheldon Sper, > published by Oxford University Press, which contains > a considerable amount of information on using the > score function in Logic Pro 7. > > I should declare an interest in that I was involved > in proofreading the text. > > HTH, > Jonathan > Thanks so much for the tip. Your involvement serves as a confidence builder, not a detriment. ;-) best, a5

> > You may be interested in a newly available book > > called "Logic By Arrangement" by Sheldon Sper, > > published by Oxford University Press, which contains > > a considerable amount of information on using the > > score function in Logic Pro 7. > > > > I should declare an interest in that I was involved > > in proofreading the text. > > > > HTH, > > Jonathan > > Thanks so much for the tip. Your involvement serves as > a confidence builder, not a detriment. ;-) > > best, > > a5 Does Sper's book also contain good instruction for the virtual sampler in Logic? I'd like to get some kind of tutorial if something of good quality exists. -Bruce

> > > You may be interested in a newly available book > > called "Logic By Arrangement" by Sheldon Sper, > > published by Oxford University Press, which > contains > > a considerable amount of information on using the > > score function in Logic Pro 7. > > > > I should declare an interest in that I was > involved > > in proofreading the text. > > > > HTH, > > Jonathan > > > > > Thanks so much for the tip. Your involvement serves > as > a confidence builder, not a detriment. ;-) > > best, > > a5 > Jonathan, one last question, is this book only to be published in the UK or will there be an American edition as well?

rebbesoul57 wrote: > Does Sper's book also contain good instruction for the virtual sampler in > Logic? I'd like to > get some kind of tutorial if something of good quality exists. May I ask what the problem is? I mean, others than for lack of features, the incredibly horrible patch management, the way, way old-fashioned editor and some things that are entirely messed up in the latest incarnation of Logic, there's really not all that much to learn about the EXS. Regards Sascha

alberto cinco <alberto_cinco@yahoo.com> wrote: > Jonathan, one last question, is this book only to be published in the UK or will there be an American edition as well? I've emailed Sheldon to ask for more information. It is available from the following site, which appears to ship internationally: http://www.musicroom.com/Browse/NewReleases.aspx?category_id=store2_category 14

On Nov 30, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Sascha Franck wrote: > May I ask what the problem is? > I mean, others than for lack of features, the incredibly horrible > patch > management, the way, way old-fashioned editor and some things that are > entirely messed up in the latest incarnation of Logic, there's > really not > all that much to learn about the EXS. > > Regards > Sascha Try not to hold anything back Sascha- tell us what you *really* think of the EXS ; ) Eddie IMS ProA/V

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@...> wrote: > > Does Sper's book also contain good instruction for the virtual sampler in > > Logic? I'd like to > > get some kind of tutorial if something of good quality exists. > > May I ask what the problem is? > I mean, others than for lack of features, the incredibly horrible patch > management, the way, way old-fashioned editor and some things that are > entirely messed up in the latest incarnation of Logic, there's really not > all that much to learn about the EXS. > > Regards > Sascha There are a few things I'd like to learn about the EXS- Importing samples from various sources like my Akai, for example; editing and manipulating samples; and laying out samples in an array across my keyboard controller so I can play them in one pass as opposed to only having access to one sample at a time. I would imagine these are all possible as they're fairly basic. Thanks. -Bruce

I'm currently running Logic Pro on my G4 400MHz using a digi001 and planning to upgrade to a Mac book with a fireface 400, my concern is if the difference between Mac book Pro and Mac book would make a big difference when the pricing has quite a big gap. Is Mac book good enough for audio application if I want to run logic and some other plug-ins using a fireface 400? Would anyone be able to answer my question? Thank you! KIM

Eddie Sullivan wrote: > Try not to hold anything back Sascha- tell us what you *really* think > of the EXS ; ) Phew... ok, but don't tell me you didn't ask for it. - In order to work with anything in the EXS, you need to create (and save) a dedicated instrument all the time. This is as useless as it could get. What I often like to do is, say, drag an entire audio track of some song into whatever sampler, then fool around with snippets of it and arrange them in various zones. Why would I have to save this as an instrument? I mean, I only need that patch in the current song, nowhere else. The EXS is the *only* sampler doing it like that. And there's not a single advance coming with it. If I want to re-use a patch I'm doing in whatever other sampler, I can still save it for later useage. With the EXS there's no choice at all but having to save the patch. I know how to do songbased patches, but I really don't want to navigate to my song folder all the freaking time, create a new "sampler instruments" subfolder and stuff. - The editor. It'd make you laugh if it wasn't that sad. No visual control over a zone's velocity range at all. No proper tweaking of multiple zones possible at all. You can still only modify all checkbox-ed value entries at once but there's no way of, say, changing the velocity range of multiple zones at once. Really, the EXS editor is pathetic, to say the least. A smaller annoyance but incredible if you think about it: When you open the editor on a single monitor and zoom into the zone arranging space, the higher part of the keyboard is leaving the window to the right. Now, what would you usually expect to happen? Right, a scrollbar, appearing at the bottom of whatever window exceeding your window width or heigth. Not so with the EXS. There's no scrollbar and the shift+mousewheel function doesn't bring you any further either. In short: You simply can't edit zones of higher registers in zoom mode. Come on... - Still no support for longer filenames. Actually, this is a general Logic problem - which doesn't make it any better. And, not only that long filenames aren't supported, it's getting even worse: They are truncated at Logic's own will. Brilliant, really... And it's getting even worse with the EXS as sometimes the truly important parts of a filename are truncated, such as root note or level information. I mean, is it still 1994 in Emapple land? Longer filenames are supported by OSX and as LogicPro isn't backwards compatible anymore anyways there's not a *single* reason to not allow longer filenames. Again, just pathetic. - Has probably been the *only* worthwhile thing in the EXS editor: Automapping. It's been really easy to quickly map an instrument in case you had properly named source samples because the EXS would read the root note from the filename (or from the info embedded in the file) and come up with a nice mapping. This is *entirely* broken in LogicPro 7.2.3. Not only that the automapping doesn't work anymore in "Auto" file name readout mode, no, it also doesn't work when you specifiy the place your notename exists in the filename. I tried with the very same files under 5.5.1/Win and 7.2.3/OSX, and the latter just messed things up completely. But hey, doesn't seem to be enough to break that feature, it's getting worse. When you import multiple samples, for EACH zone there will be a new group created. This is just ridiculously stupid. I couldn't imagine what this would be good for at all. Usually, you'd expect multiple created zones to be sent to either no group at all or to one common group (the latter being the old behaviour). Now, when you only do the import once, it's easy to sort out. You'd just select all zones and route them to a common group, then delete the unused ones. But try that with a rather complexed instrument... - Interpolation mode. While being the most efficient sampler on earth, I fail to see why there isn't finally an optional high quality interpolation mode. When you work with patches only using a few samples (thus requiring quite some internal pitching), the EXS is still aliasing. And by now it's the worst sampler on the market (and I think, back in the days, only some early version of Kontakt has been worse). - Virtual memory. Why oh why has this got to be a global setting? It just doesn't make any sense to stress your harddisk for small patches that would easily fit into your RAM. Or to leave it off entirely - in that case being unable to load any larger patches. Kontakt (and Battery) are doing this on a per patch base. Heck, you can even set it per group. - The GUI. Don't get me wrong, I still love it's simplicity and the filters are still some of the best around IMO. But it could surely do with something more advanced, such as a syncable multibreakpoint envelope, a small step sequencer or arpeggiator of some sorts, whatever. It could as well be nice to have more than just one filter availble, so one could use different filters for different groups or so. But admittedly, the GUI is the least thing I'd complain about. At least it's dead easy to deal with and everything's working as supposed as well. Alright, that was it for now, straight from my head. Cheers Sascha

Sorry for the double post, folks. I only saved it locally (not in outlook) and thought I didn't send it. Regards Sascha

unless soemone has a Macbook and a FF400, all we can do is speculate. i am great at speculating. :-) i think the macbook will be fine, but you should really get 2GB of RAM. or as much as you can afford. (at LEAST 1GB) that is all.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "KIM CHEUNG" <ckckim@...> wrote: > I'm currently running Logic Pro on my G4 400MHz using a digi001 and planning > to upgrade to a Mac book with a fireface 400, my concern is if the > difference between Mac book Pro and Mac book would make a big difference > when the pricing has quite a big gap. Is Mac book good enough for audio > application if I want to run logic and some other plug-ins using a fireface > 400? > Would anyone be able to answer my question? > Thank you! > > KIM Hello Kim: There was a thread I started last month that went fairly long on using the MacBook in a remote recording situation, I wanted to use my Fireface800 (into the Macbook 400FW input) to do remote recording of a live group with up to 16 tracks of audio recording in Logic Pro. I did the gig (12 tracks) and it went fine using the FF800 with a FW400 drive pigtailed onto the FF. I did a lot of testing with this set-up and it worked perfectly. There are guys out there using the Macbook Pro getting up to 30 tracks of simultaenous audio recording. I would think you could get 24 tracks on the Macbook 2ghz DualCore with 2 gigs of RAM on board. I can't stress enoughh that the 2 gigs of RAM is the way to go on these laptops. The system really works MUCH better with the extra RAM. Cheers

On Dec 2, 2006, at 8:46 AM, T.J. wrote: > Message posted by T.J. <griotspeak@gmail.com>: > > unless soemone has a Macbook and a FF400, all we can do is speculate. > > i am great at speculating. :-) > > i think the macbook will be fine, but you should really get 2GB of > RAM. or as much as you can afford. (at LEAST 1GB) > > that is all. > > Hi, I have a macbook and a FF400. They work great together. I have not had any problems. I have only 1 Gig of RAM, however. I can run the demo song, sculpture demo, and ultrabeat demo without problems. Ciro Dr. Ciro G. Scotto Associate Professor of Theory Eastman School of Music 26 Gibbs St. Rochester, NY 14604 office: (585) 274-1562 home: (585) 244-5396 e-mail: cscotto@esm.rochester.edu cscotto1@rochester.rr.com WEB PAGE: http://theory.esm.rochester.edu/ciro_scotto/ "Those who can get you to believe absurdities can get you to commit atrocities."

On Dec 1, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Sascha Franck wrote: > > Alright, that was it for now, straight from my head. > > Cheers > Sascha Well that was more like it; I thought you were slipping there for a minute : ) Eddie Sullivan IMS Pro A/V esullivan@imsproav.com

>From: "jonathankek2000" <jonathankek2000@yahoo.com> > >Hello Kim: There was a thread I started last month that went fairly long on >using the MacBook in a remote recording situation, I wanted to use my Fireface800 >(into the Macbook 400FW input) to do remote recording of a live group with up to 16 >tracks of audio recording in Logic Pro. > >I did the gig (12 tracks) and it went fine using the FF800 with a FW400 >drive pigtailed onto the FF. I did a lot of testing with this set-up and it worked perfectly. >There are guys out there using the Macbook Pro getting up to 30 tracks of simultaenous audio >recording. I would think you could get 24 tracks on the Macbook 2ghz DualCore with 2 >gigs of RAM on board. I can't stress enoughh that the 2 gigs of RAM is the way to go on >these laptops. The system really works MUCH better with the extra RAM. Thanks for your advise Jonathan, I've just bought a mac book today with 2 gig Ram. And thanks for all people who have answered my question

Seeking some advice...I am 80% completed on a current project using 6.41 on a 1 GHz Powerbook but having to freeze a lot with 2G ram and external Lacie FW800. The 7.2 upgrade and a Mac Pro 2.66 w 3G ram is sitting in my studio and I¹m wondering how much hassle it would be to migrate the project at this time. The benefits are obvious but wondering what the downsides might be...especially this far into the project. Any thoughts/experience...anyone? Thanks! Craig

I would go for it, you can always fire up the old setup if there is a train wreck. I had some problems using the transition assisistant, or whatever it is called, so I would strongly advise seting up your new system from scratch. Also, make sure all your plugs are UB. Dave

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, David Lewis <reelmusicboston@...> wrote: > > I would go for it, you can always fire up the old > setup if there is a train wreck. I had some problems > using the transition assisistant, or whatever it is > called, so I would strongly advise seting up your new > system from scratch. Also, make sure all your plugs > are UB. > > Dave > I agree with this, you can keep your existing setup 'as is' and run the new one in parallel, so you can always go back, just in case. The time spent in setting up the new machine should be recovered in time saved freezing/bouncing and productivity enhancement. Mike

On Dec 4, 2006, at 4:10 AM, Craig Beaumont wrote: > Seeking some advice...I am 80% completed on a current project using > 6.41 on > a 1 GHz Powerbook but having to freeze a lot with 2G ram and > external Lacie > FW800. The 7.2 upgrade and a Mac Pro 2.66 w 3G ram is sitting in my > studio > and I’m wondering how much hassle it would be to migrate the > project at this > time. The benefits are obvious but wondering what the downsides might > be...especially this far into the project. Any thoughts/ > experience...anyone? Hi Craig, despite what some users wrote to you, I would finish the project on the old setup. Do not change horses while crossing the river. Will be good for the song, because its always better to go until you are ready instead making long breaks. And, I can't hope that migrating will be fast. You will have to adjust things, check and stuff. After you are finished you can experiment whether your 6.41 song will be compatible and play allright. maxim

>> time. The benefits are obvious but wondering what the downsides might >> be...especially this far into the project. Any thoughts/ >> experience...anyone? > > After you are finished you can experiment whether your 6.41 song will > be compatible and play allright. > > maxim > Dave, Mike & now Maxim...thanks for your considered response. Maxim, those are wise words, but I'm encouraged to make the change now, simply because I'm either gonna loose time with the learning curve or with finding creative ways to keep this project moving on the slower setup. There's been a lot more choking lately and if only for my frustration levels, I'm going to migrate. Thanks again, fellows! Craig