Posted by: "cpezc" chris@defsound.com cpezc Fri Nov 3, 2006 3:06 am (PST) --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf <recording@...> wrote: > > From: "Andrew Hunt" andy@... > > The best performing drives are Western Digital Raptors, which have > seek times about half what standard SATA drives have. But the largest > one is only 150GB or so, and it's much more expensive than standard > SATA drives. Right now the best compromise between price and storage > capacity (the largest drives are always more expensive per GB) is 400 > or 500GB, I think; the most recent drive I bought is a 500GB Maxtor > drive that I believe was $229. > > > > Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher > I have written quite a bit about the terrible prolems I have been > having with Logic and my > setup. Now I have found the problem and I am very very annoyed > about it. As it turns out, > Raptor drives are NOT compatible with G5s, so I have not been > having Logic problems > after all. > > I have to say that I am quite amazed by this, but it is true. It is > now in the WD > knowledgebase in a very small article, and on the phone they > acknowledge it. Strangely it > doe not say this on any of the product information, and I have not > found many references > to the problem on forums. In fact I only found one reference to the > problem where > someone was talking about the drive intermittently 'falling asleep'. > > The drive 'hangs up' which is what is causing my many spinning > beach balls and total > computer freezes. I am suprised no one else has mentioned it, but I > think that the > admission on the WD site is quite new and they are obviously now > very keen to publicize > it. Anyone with a Raptor and G5 with problem please send me a > message. I have wasted a > lot of time, energy and money on this problem and would like to > know how many others > have done the same. > > Regards, > Chris No kidding! Sorry for the bad advice, and thanks for the tip. I have a Sonnet eSATA 4+4 card in my main G5. From their site: Problem: After installing a WD4000YR, WD4000KD, WD360ADFD, WD7400ADFD, WD1500AHFD, or WD1500ADFD, the computer system will hang (lock up), necessitating a system re-boot. Cause: The Apple G5 tower does not support certain standard Serial ATA interface protocols used by the WD4000YR, WD4000KD, WD360ADFD, WD7400ADFD, WD1500AHFD, and WD1500ADFD hard drives resulting in an interface lock-up. This causes the computer system to hang. Resolution: The only work-around we have identified at this time is installing a SATA Host Bus Adapter (controller card), effectively circumventing the on-board interface. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf <recording@...> wrote: > No kidding! Sorry for the bad advice, and thanks for the tip. I have > a Sonnet eSATA 4+4 card in my main G5. > From their site: > Problem: > After installing a WD4000YR, WD4000KD, WD360ADFD, WD7400ADFD, > WD1500AHFD, or WD1500ADFD, the computer system will hang (lock up), > necessitating a system re-boot. > Cause: > The Apple G5 tower does not support certain standard Serial ATA > interface protocols used by the WD4000YR, WD4000KD, WD360ADFD, > WD7400ADFD, WD1500AHFD, and WD1500ADFD hard drives resulting in an > interface lock-up. This causes the computer system to hang. > Resolution: > The only work-around we have identified at this time is installing a > SATA Host Bus Adapter (controller card), effectively circumventing > the on-board interface. i am not blaming anyone excpet for Wwstern digital, as I have seen many many peopl recommend it, an it is calledd 'the most reliable SATA' drive by Macworld magazine! I do lotsd of research when buying anything and I missed this tiny article that Western Digital have hidden on their site. I would like to know how many other missed it too, because it was discoverd AFTER many peopl bought the drive. It was not known previously, so I think Western Digital should have a partial recal for mac users, but they will not even give me a refund!! I am sure that my UK statuatory rights cover me on this 'not fit for purpose' issue, but I can't be bothered wasting anymore time with them. Anyone want to buy a 150gb Raptor drive (for your PC obviously)???

> Problem: After installing a WD4000YR, WD4000KD, WD360ADFD, > WD7400ADFD, WD1500AHFD, or WD1500ADFD, the computer system > will hang (lock up), necessitating a system re-boot. > > Cause: The Apple G5 tower does not support certain standard > Serial ATA interface protocols used by the WD4000YR, WD4000KD, > WD360ADFD, WD7400ADFD, WD1500AHFD, and WD1500ADFD hard drives > resulting in an interface lock-up. This causes the computer > system to hang. I wonder if there's any chance of Apple updating the G5 SATA firmware in a future update to support those certain standard SATA protocols? I sure get sick of scheduling people to flash Dell BIOS and RAID BIOS updates at work, though I guess Software Update would make it pretty easy anyway. ;-)

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "cpezc" wrote: > i am not blaming anyone excpet for Wwstern digital, as I have > seen many many peopl recommend it, an it is calledd 'the most > reliable SATA' drive by Macworld magazine! I do lotsd of research > when buying anything and I missed this tiny article that Western > Digital have hidden on their site. Not sure Western Digital can be faulted if the problem rests with the G5 SATA interface. Problem: After installing a WD4000YR, WD4000KD, WD360ADFD, WD7400ADFD, WD1500AHFD, or WD1500ADFD, the computer system will hang (lock up), necessitating a system re-boot. Cause: The Apple G5 tower does not support certain standard Serial ATA interface protocols used by the WD4000YR, WD4000KD, WD360ADFD, WD7400ADFD, WD1500AHFD, and WD1500ADFD hard drives resulting in an interface lock-up. This causes the computer system to hang. HW

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "pancenter" <hwooten@...> wrote: > > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "cpezc" wrote: > > > i am not blaming anyone excpet for Wwstern digital, as I have > > seen many many peopl recommend it, an it is calledd 'the most > > reliable SATA' drive by Macworld magazine! I do lotsd of research > > when buying anything and I missed this tiny article that Western > > Digital have hidden on their site. > > Not sure Western Digital can be faulted if the problem rests > with the G5 SATA interface. > I assume that thay have to blame Apple, as otherwise they would be admitting legal responsibility for the fault. How many revisions of the G5 have there been vs. how many revisions of this drive? I am inclined to think neither is faulty. It is just that Western Digital did not test thoroughly. they should have tested thoroughly on the g5. The G5 came first and was well established before the raptor was released. Had they done so, they should have put a note on their product inof saying, ' not compatible with G5.' they did not do this, and they still have not done it. Mac experts everywhere think this drive is compatible with G5s. it is rated in every Mac magazine and in numerous benchmark tests. It is WD's fault for hiding the information. They are under no obligation to make something compatible with the G5, but they are obliged to reveal know compatibility issues, and they should state them clearly and in full public view. Regards, Chris