From: Marcio Nigro <mnigro@s...> > > I would like to add one more thing in this discussion. I don't know if > Emagic has already realize that their manual are made of paper, paper > comes from trees in general, and the trees are coming from the florests, > like the Amazonian Florest (yes, I live in Brazil folks). Big computer very good point. Perhaps e-magic could make a self reading 'dongleized' manual that only registered users could read? I'm sure it wouldnt be that much of a task. Regards Stephen J Bennett Composer,sound design & one-off CD manufacture 01603 504461 (Pager 01426 380304) http://139.222.97.101/sjb/chaos.html Author of 'The Fast Guide To Logic' http://www.pc-pubs.demon.co.uk/fgel.htm

>very good point. Perhaps e-magic could make a self reading 'dongleized' >manual that only registered users could read? I'm sure it wouldnt be that >much of a task. Now *that's* a very good idea ! (well done Stephen ;) As a matter of fact Acrobat allows for encrypting the text upon creation that can be undone during reading. If this 'decrypter' would check on the dongle we would satisfy Emagics anti-pirate policy while also providing an electronic version of the manual (which would come handy...) IMO something to seriously consider, best, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@t... DOS never says "EXCELLENT command or filename"... PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver

> From: "Michael Gerdau" <mgd@t...> > > >very good point. Perhaps e-magic could make a self reading 'dongleized' > >manual that only registered users could read? I'm sure it wouldnt be that > >much of a task. > > Now *that's* a very good idea ! > (well done Stephen ;) > If this 'decrypter' would check on the dongle we would satisfy Emagics > anti-pirate policy while also providing an electronic version of the > manual (which would come handy...) > > IMO something to seriously consider, best, > Michael Reality is: *any* (software protection can be cracked. I guess that most of us heard or saw cracked Logic Audios around on the net. This means that we can expect to see cracked versions of the pdf manuals too... I'm sure Emagic would be very happy not to spend time and resources implementing annoying copy protections if they were sure they would get minimal damage doing this. But reality is quite different. So Emagic is taking the route of implementing aggressive soft protection on Logic and not releasing the manuals... /* ironic mode on If they work the whole copy protection issue a little bit harder, it might happen they will not even deliver new software for fear of being pirated! :) :) :) :) (and we are really on the edge with all those reports of dongle being not recognized (here too!)) ironic mode off */ Seriously, Emagic should better spend his time developing music software than copy protection code and shipping printed manuals. Because, when you work hours and hours recoding/mixing music all you really want is *solid*, *unobstrusive*, *exotic* software for creative uses! :) :) :) :) I think that if you don;t take the proper time to read the printed manuals then you maybe aren;t too motivated at using Logic in your environment. Don;t blame the newspaper if you don;t read it! ;-) Andrea

I know everyone's tired of this topic, but I feel I must speak my mind here.. I bought LAGW 4.0, and was surprised to find a 3.6 manual included therein. I believe that Emagic is ethically obligated to provide me with a manual consistent with the version I purchased, at no extra expense. PDF or hardcopy or whatever, I am flexible on that point. But I paid for this version, and the manual is part of that. I'd be happy to return the older version (not that that helps Emagic much), but I insist on an up-to-date manual, since that's what I bought. I'm not a basher...I have a great deal of respect for Emagic. But that's the right thing for them to do. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Michael Gerdau <mgd@t...> To: logic-users@onelist.com <logic-users@onelist.com> Date: Thursday, September 23, 1999 1:56 PM Subject: [LUG] Re: manual & dongle >From: "Michael Gerdau" <mgd@t...> > >>very good point. Perhaps e-magic could make a self reading 'dongleized' >>manual that only registered users could read? I'm sure it wouldnt be that >>much of a task. > >Now *that's* a very good idea ! >(well done Stephen ;) > >As a matter of fact Acrobat allows for encrypting the text upon creation >that can be undone during reading. > >If this 'decrypter' would check on the dongle we would satisfy Emagics >anti-pirate policy while also providing an electronic version of the >manual (which would come handy...) > >IMO something to seriously consider, best, >Michael >-- > Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ > Michael Gerdau email: mgd@t... > DOS never says "EXCELLENT command or filename"... > PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver > > > >>

You took the words right out of my mouth Skip. It's one thing to get a 3.6-marked package (cd/manual) from a store...and then have the onus on you to acquire upgrades. But, like you, I bought a box that was clearly labeled 4.0. That implies that everything in that box is gonna be 4.0. I expect a 4.0 manual as well, at no extra charge to me (although I would begrudgingly hand over shipping costs). I'm no lawyer, but I would bet that Emagic might be required to provide a 4.0 manual. To me, it's no different than buying a 4.0 box with a 3.6 cd inside--misrepresentation of the product! I sure hope that you and I aren't the only ones that feel this way. I would hope that the point you made is obvious to most reasonable people. Also, I have to reiterate what you said about liking Emagic. They make some pretty great sequencers, and just like with software/hardware troubles, people shouldn't assume that just because this list is full of a lot of griping, that doesn't mean that we as customers aren't generally satisfied. But be that as it may, we are still entitled to receive what we have already PAID FOR. Mike P. > From: "F.S. (Skip) Leeds, M.D." <leeds@c...> > > I know everyone's tired of this topic, but I feel I must speak my mind > here.. > > I bought LAGW 4.0, and was surprised to find a 3.6 manual included > therein. I believe that Emagic is ethically obligated to provide me with a > manual consistent with the version I purchased, at no extra expense. PDF or > hardcopy or whatever, I am flexible on that point. But I paid for this > version, and the manual is part of that. > > I'd be happy to return the older version (not that that helps Emagic > much), but I insist on an up-to-date manual, since that's what I bought. > > I'm not a basher...I have a great deal of respect for Emagic. But that's > the right thing for them to do. > > Skip > >

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:28:46 +0200, "Andrea Gozzi" <agozz@t...> wrote: > >Reality is: *any* (software protection can be cracked. >I guess that most of us heard or saw cracked Logic Audios >around on the net. This means that we can expect to see >cracked versions of the pdf manuals too... > Just wanted to point out, that after all this time, there still has been only ONE barely working crack of Logic Audio v3.5. And the only group who MIGHT be able to crack 4.0 has already announced that they are not going to do it. Logic's protection rocks! -- Affe - http://www.vip.fi/~affe/ ICQ#31380046