Hello to all! I have a project in mind where my husband and I would want to create different types of voices. For example mine might need to sound like a teenage girl, his might have to sound like an older man, or a teenage boy, etc. We want to create all the voices of the characters through technology where we can get consistent results. Is there a piece of outboard gear or plug-in sophisticated enough, and not terribly expensive to do this with? We'll need to mix these voices in Logic Pro with music, fx, etc. We use a Mac G5 and Logic Pro. Thank you for your input. Regards, Barbara

>I have a project in mind where my husband and I would want to create >different types of voices. For example mine might need to sound like a >teenage girl, his might have to sound like an older man, or a teenage >boy, etc. We want to create all the voices of the characters through >technology where we can get consistent results. Is there a piece of >outboard gear or plug-in sophisticated enough, and not terribly >expensive to do this with? We'll need to mix these voices in Logic Pro >with music, fx, etc. >We use a Mac G5 and Logic Pro. >Thank you for your input. >Regards, >Barbara I rather enjoy playing with Vocaloid and it will rewire to logic. Its power hungry and takes tweeking to get it right but the basic input is really easy.

On 06.10.2006, at 01:13, Barbara wrote: > I have a project in mind where my husband and I would want to create > different types of voices. For example mine might need to sound like a > teenage girl, his might have to sound like an older man, or a teenage > boy, etc. We want to create all the voices of the characters through > technology where we can get consistent results Is there a piece of > outboard gear or plug-in Maybe the vocal toolkit from Antares: http://www.antarestech.com/ > . sophisticated enough, That probably yes, Antares are the people who make Autotune. > and not terribly > expensive to do this with? Depends how you define "terribly". You can look into their online shop for the prices of the individual tools. ___ Peter Ostry

> > I have a project in mind where my husband and I would want to create > > different types of voices. For example mine might need to sound like a > > teenage girl, his might have to sound like an older man, or a teenage > > boy, etc. We want to create all the voices of the characters through > > technology where we can get consistent results Is there a piece of > > outboard gear or plug-in > > Maybe the vocal toolkit from Antares: > http://www.antarestech.com/ > > > > . sophisticated enough, > > That probably yes, Antares are the people who make Autotune. > > > and not terribly expensive to do this with? > > Depends how you define "terribly". You can look into their online > shop for the prices of the individual tools. Hi, its always good to see what logic has before loking abroad as it were. Have a look at the 'vocal transformer' plugin. It claims to do what you want, male->female, low->high etc. Its a bit rough and ready, but it could be up to the job... Mike

On 06.10.2006, at 11:43, mt100uk wrote: > Hi, its always good to see what logic has before loking abroad as > it were. Have a look at > the 'vocal transformer' plugin. It claims to do what you want, male- > >female, low->high > etc. Its a bit rough and ready, but it could be up to the job... Well said but in this case Logic cannot help. Barbara asked for teen and older man voices. Such "character shaping" is very special and far beyond the capabilities of VocalTransformer. I am not sure if the Antares software can do it really good, just downloaded the demos because I am also interested in experiments like that. ___ Peter Ostry

>I have a project in mind where my husband and I would want to create >different types of voices. For example mine might need to sound like a >teenage girl, his might have to sound like an older man, or a teenage >boy, etc. We want to create all the voices of the characters through >technology where we can get consistent results. Is there a piece of >outboard gear or plug-in sophisticated enough, and not terribly >expensive to do this with? We'll need to mix these voices in Logic Pro >with music, fx, etc. Melodyne is the king here, but isn't cheap. Try their demo first: http://www.celemony.com You can pitch shift and change formants of voices. Juts by the way, have you tried Logic's own Time and Pitch machine? I used to fool around with the Harmonic Shift and get some fairly nice results..... Regards - Colin

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara" <Barbara@...> wrote: > > Hello to all! > > I have a project in mind where my husband and I would want to create > different types of voices. For example mine might need to sound like a > teenage girl, his might have to sound like an older man, or a teenage > boy, etc. We want to create all the voices of the characters through > technology where we can get consistent results. Is there a piece of > outboard gear or plug-in sophisticated enough, and not terribly > expensive to do this with? We'll need to mix these voices in Logic Pro > with music, fx, etc. > > We use a Mac G5 and Logic Pro. > > Thank you for your input. > > Regards, > > Barbara > There are a couple of things you can do. One I've used one I haven't. Most important is if you expect to make money off the project you're doing, that's the first question you should ask yourself.r If you intend to sell or make money on the project you're doing then consider the purchase you make an investment. Before you purchase or check out these products I'm about to mention I would try this in Logic first. First question I have for you is are you singing or is it dialog. In any case what you can is take the vocals that you record, and break them up into 4 bar regions, or as close as you can. Then in the Autoload window, select audio/open in Apple Loops Utility. Logic will open up a program called Apple Loops Utility. This program basically takes audio and creates an Apple file that you can change the pitch and tempo without affecting the other. It's usually used on tempo based audio files, but might be able to do what you want it to do. The only thing it doesn't do is adjust the audio in small increments, it basically adjust in half steps. You can try with a couple pieces of audio and see if you get the results you like. Now again if you're doing this for a project you're getting paid for, then I would suggest Melodyne, you can do anything your imagination thinks of with that program. The other is a piece of hardware from Roland, I believe its called the V90. But Melodyne is your best bet.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Peter Ostry <po@...> wrote: > > On 06.10.2006, at 11:43, mt100uk wrote: > > > Hi, its always good to see what logic has before loking abroad as > > it were. Have a look at > > the 'vocal transformer' plugin. It claims to do what you want, male- > > >female, low->high > > etc. Its a bit rough and ready, but it could be up to the job... > > Well said but in this case Logic cannot help. Barbara asked for teen > and older man voices. Such "character shaping" is very special and > far beyond the capabilities of VocalTransformer. > Ahh i didn't realise the need for pubescent squeek and elderly croak ;-) Mike

>>> On 06.10.2006, at 11:43, mt100uk wrote: >>> Hi, its always good to see what logic has before loking abroad as >>> it were. Have a look at >>> the 'vocal transformer' plugin. It claims to do what you want, male- >>> female, low->high >>> etc. Its a bit rough and ready, but it could be up to the job... >> >> Peter Ostry <po@...> wrote: >> Well said but in this case Logic cannot help. Barbara asked for teen >> and older man voices. Such "character shaping" is very special and >> far beyond the capabilities of VocalTransformer. > > On 06.10.2006, at 18:23, mt100uk wrote: > Ahh i didn't realise the need for pubescent squeek and elderly > croak ;-) :o) Yeah, sounds interesting. Could be extended to a childrens choir behind a graveyard duet :-) -- I played a little with the Antares demos. "Throat" seems to do what Barbara wants. It has even "older" and "younger" presets and they worked good on a female voice. Subtle and soft. Greater changes are not that easy and may require good EQing afterwards. They go, naturally, more into the effects direction. I could not properly bend a male voice much but I am not used to that software and had only my recorded voice which is not ideal for manipulation. And I tried a different thing: transforming my voice into a female voice. That is quite a wide leap but I do that sometimes for duet layouts although it sounds terrible. The Antares software cannot do that alone. I took Logics VocalTransfomer for the -12 down pitch and slightly more transients, added the "Throat" plugin and tweaked it without really knowing what I do. The sound got better, some higher tones sounded almost female with a little reverb. The whole vocal toolbox is interesting, especially for subtle work. But the price, hm - these plugins are not the stuff which I usually buy in the morning ... ___ Peter Ostry