i have written here before about the huge amout of bugs in the latest Logic releases - cross fade distortion and problems, freezing of the entire machine without the ability to Force Quit, crashes like this when dragging the end of regions, etc. I reinstalled (wiped everything) everything 3 times to try and sort it out , but to not avail. Now I have finally fixed the problems and I think I have narrowed it down to the 7.2.xx releases. Seems that on this fresh reinstall I only went up to 7.2.0 and many of the problems are gone, fingers crossed. I have been doing lots of vocal comping with no crashes for 2 days now. I was getting them every hour or less. A guy named Daniel recently wrote of similar problems to mine, and I realized that we have the same machine, dual g5 1.8 PCI. I am wondering ing if there is some issue with Logic's changes and PCI on G5, cos I haven't heard of other people with newer G5s having the same problems. In the Apple notes it says that 7.2.1 and .2 and .3 fix issues with intel (although 7.2.1 is for PPC as well, and neither say nto to use with PPC) and I wonder if these fixes are having a detrimental effect on PPC machines, or maybe just PPC with PCI, not PCI -x. Anyway 7.2 is running reasonabley well so I won't be upgrading until I buy a new machine next year.

On 06/10/2006, at 1:20 AM, cpezc wrote: > In the Apple notes it says that 7.2.1 and .2 and .3 fix issues with > intel (although 7.2.1 is for > PPC as well, and neither say nto to use with PPC) and I wonder if > these fixes are having a > detrimental effect on PPC machines, or maybe just PPC with PCI, not > PCI -x. Anyway 7.2 is > running reasonabley well so I won't be upgrading until I buy a new > machine next year. It's almost a given with incremental releases that there are bug fixes that don't get mentioned. You know the old "don't want to admit there is a fault" mindset. I have none of the problems you have and it seems that most of the community here are the same otherwise we would be hearing al lot more about it. And I have a similar generation of PCI mac. A Dual 2GHZ PCI G5. I have always run the latest version - currently 7.2.3. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that there are not bugs - there are - but for a long time I think it's been a pretty stable and powerful platform. If you're having issues I would not limit my thinking to only suspecting Logic as the culprit. Kind regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

I thought I would chime in that I have the same machine, dual 1.8 running latest Logic 7.2.3 and under heavy use no problems. As with every version of Logic I see strange things once in a while but I have yet to crash since update. UAD-1 card included. I don't know why I installed 7.2.3 though. Like life on the edge?

> I have none of the problems you have and it seems that most of the > community here are the same otherwise we would be hearing al lot more > about it. And I have a similar generation of PCI mac. A Dual 2GHZ PCI > G5. > > Many of the problems that I have are the same ones mentioned by Daniel in previous posts, and he has the same machine, so I thought that might be it. Otherwise I just don't know what to think. I have used lodgic since 3.5 and for me this is the worst ever. I had a totally stable uncrashable dual1 ghz G4 with 7.1 and I moved to this G5 and 7.2.3 and it has been a night mare. As I said, after going back to 7.2 I seem to have eliminated the problem , having only 1 crash yeasterday anfter a full day of heavy editing. Any other ideas about the problems would be appreciated. Here is a full spec: dual 1.8 ghz G5 Pci 2X17" Studio displays factory HD, 150gb WD Raptor, Lacie 60 gb firewire (used for 3 years no probs) 4 gb Crucial tested RAM Metric Halo I/O 3 UAD-1 OSX 10.4.7 Logic 7.2 okay (anything above is a disater) My changes since my last totally stable sytem are the computer, raptor, Metric Halo. c

On 06/10/2006, at 5:55 PM, cpezc wrote: > Many of the problems that I have are the same ones mentioned by > Daniel in previous > posts, and he has the same machine, so I thought that might be it. > Otherwise I just don't > know what to think. I have used lodgic since 3.5 and for me this is > the worst ever. I had a > totally stable uncrashable dual1 ghz G4 with 7.1 and I moved to > this G5 and 7.2.3 and it > has been a night mare. As I said, after going back to 7.2 I seem > to have eliminated the > problem , having only 1 crash yeasterday anfter a full day of heavy > editing. Any other ideas > about the problems would be appreciated. Here is a full spec: > > dual 1.8 ghz G5 Pci > 2X17" Studio displays > factory HD, 150gb WD Raptor, Lacie 60 gb firewire (used for 3 years > no probs) > 4 gb Crucial tested RAM > Metric Halo I/O > 3 UAD-1 > OSX 10.4.7 > Logic 7.2 okay (anything above is a disater) > > My changes since my last totally stable sytem are the computer, > raptor, Metric Halo. Very similar setup to mine - same ram, 2 x UAD and RME Multiface. Have you tried installing a clean system via "Archive and install"? I would try this then just install Logic and see if you get the issues. I have seen systems get buggy after they've been inservice for some time... Good luck ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Paul Najar <paulnajar@...> wrote: > Have you tried installing a clean system via "Archive and install"? I > would try this then just install Logic and see if you get the issues. > I have seen systems get buggy after they've been inservice for some > time... > > Good luck > > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Paul Najar > Jaminajar Music Production > www.jaminajar.com > Hi, I have. Actually I'v wiped the entire computer 3 times over the past couple months clean, and reistalled everything one piece at a time. I will point out something potentially very interesting though.. I am sitting at v7.0.0, and now stable for 3 days.... and today my apple software update only offers me 7.1! I am pretty sure that previously it offered me up to 7.2.2 and then .3... can anyone confirm this...????? This might confirm my suspicions the .2.and .3 are not compatible with PPC. Regards, Chris

> I have. Actually I'v wiped the entire computer 3 times over the > past couple months clean, > and reistalled everything one piece at a time. I will point out > something potentially very > interesting though.. I am sitting at v7.0.0, and now stable for 3 > days.... and today my > apple software update only offers me 7.1! No it doesn't actually, it offers you 7.0.1. > I am pretty sure that previously it offered me up to 7.2.2 and > then .3... can anyone > confirm this...????? This might confirm my suspicions the .2.and .3 > are not compatible with > PPC. That's how these (totally wrong) suspicions get into the world. :o) The software updater shows you the updates for the (paid) version you installed. Now since you went back to 7.0 (and not 7.2), you only get 7.0 updates. You need to install your 7.2 crossgrade first, before the software updater informs you of 7.2.3. 7.2.3 is perfectly compatible with PPC (as is any universal binary). Maurits.

I also have a dual g5 1.8 Ghz and I am having crashes very often. I am using 7.1.1 though... sometimes I can work for days without crashing and some songs seem to be destroyed and crash every few minutes... It is very annoying. I am not happy with Logic pro 7 anymore, and this is the reason I didn't upgrade to 7.2.x. Maybe I am stupid, but I am hesitant to give them more money, for (not even) fixing old bugs. I don't see no alternative either, I don't want to change to Cubase and Protools is out of the question, because it requires special hardware and I don't want to sell my FF800 ...

On Oct 8, 2006, at 12:55 AM, Chris wrote: > Message posted by Chris <c.kay@gmx.ch>: > > I also have a dual g5 1.8 Ghz and I am having crashes very often. I > am using 7.1.1 though... > > sometimes I can work for days without crashing and some songs seem > to be destroyed and crash every few minutes... It is very annoying. > I am not happy with Logic pro 7 anymore, and this is the reason I > didn't upgrade to 7.2.x. Maybe I am stupid, but I am hesitant to > give them more money, for (not even) fixing old bugs. I don't see > no alternative either, I don't want to change to Cubase and > Protools is out of the question, because it requires special > hardware and I don't want to sell my FF800 ... I understand your frustration but there is obviously some variable in your system. There is basically no way for anybody but you to figure out what that is. Doing so can be a real bitch, because there is no guarantee that the variable is within logic or your plugin folder. Sometimes a crash can be as obscure as some specific function of some plugin clashing with a video card but only if a second monitor is present. Still logic your plugin folder and the problem songs will definitely be the place to start trying to chase down the bug. So when logic is misbehaving is it doing it with specific songs? Which plugins are active in those songs? Does removing them help? Are there functions you use in those particular songs that you don't normally use?