I'm curious as to the ease of use and the ability to change patches quickly (from a capable controller) in a live situation. I'd be interested in using all the vintage instruments, the EXS smpler, ES2 and perhaps a plug in like Ivory for piano. My scenario would probably involved needing to access 20-30 "patches" which could be single intruments or a layer or split. I'm not currently a Logic user so I'm not looking for great detail as to how this would be done, but rather in finding out if it is doable and would provide fast real time unctionality. I realize a fair amount of time would need to be spent in the initial configuration. thanks much Peter Saxe

On 21/06/2006, at 3:07 AM, goodsforyou2004 wrote: > I'm curious as to the ease of use and the ability to change patches > quickly (from a capable > controller) in a live situation. I'd be interested in using all > the vintage instruments, the EXS > smpler, ES2 and perhaps a plug in like Ivory for piano. > My scenario would probably involved needing to access 20-30 > "patches" which could be > single intruments or a layer or split. > I'm not currently a Logic user so I'm not looking for great detail > as to how this would be > done, but rather in finding out if it is doable and would provide > fast real time unctionality. I > realize a fair amount of time would need to be spent in the initial > configuration. Responding to program changes in pretty much real time is there now for all but the sampler (EXS) as this takes a bit of time to load the required samples - but for these instruments you can have them already loaded on different virtual instrument instances ready to play, and get Logic's cable switcher to do the work for you here. So in general I reckon Logic's "Live synth rack" potential is pretty good. PS: To get some of this latest functionality you'll need to be running Logic 7.2 or later ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "goodsforyou2004" <numuse@...> wrote: > > I'm curious as to the ease of use and the ability to change patches quickly (from a capable > controller) in a live situation. I'd be interested in using all the vintage instruments, the EXS > smpler, ES2 and perhaps a plug in like Ivory for piano. > My scenario would probably involved needing to access 20-30 "patches" which could be > single intruments or a layer or split. > I'm not currently a Logic user so I'm not looking for great detail as to how this would be > done, but rather in finding out if it is doable and would provide fast real time unctionality. I > realize a fair amount of time would need to be spent in the initial configuration. > > thanks much > Peter Saxe > I'm using Logic 7.2 live all the time now. You can assign any controlstrip plugins to the standard midi patch numbers 0-127. The trick, at least for exs24 plugins, is to preload the plugin sample on another track. This eliminates it reloading everytime you call up that particular program that uses the sampler. Also be careful with over using polyphony on the evp88 plugin, 16 voices should be enough. I also trimmed the tonewheels on my evb3. This is because of my powerbook. Its a G4 1.25 with 1 gig of ram. I installed a 100 Gig 7200 hard drive. It does the job. I leave my Triton Studio Pro at home now.

> >Responding to program changes in pretty much real time is there now >for all but the sampler (EXS) as this takes a bit of time to load the >required samples - but for these instruments you can have them >already loaded on different virtual instrument instances ready to >play, and get Logic's cable switcher to do the work for you here. Hey Paul, There isn't any way to keep the instruments loaded into the EXS while switching between songs in Logic, right? I'm using it live and the wait for the instruments to load can be agonizing. I have a song set up with all the instruments I regularly use loaded in and that works great until I need to load up another song to play. Thanks. -- Doug

On 24/06/2006, at 11:49 PM, Doug Slick wrote: > Hey Paul, > > There isn't any way to keep the instruments loaded into the > EXS while switching between songs in Logic, right? I'm using it live > and the wait for the instruments to load can be agonizing. I have a > song set up with all the instruments I regularly use loaded in and > that works great until I need to load up another song to play. There is a preference somewhere.... Maybe EXS Options panel, that says something like "Keep same instruments in memory when changing songs". If you search the manual with something like "same instrument" you'll find it I'm sure... Regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

At 8:56 AM +1000 6/25/06, Paul Najar wrote: >On 24/06/2006, at 11:49 PM, Doug Slick wrote: > >> Hey Paul, >> >> There isn't any way to keep the instruments loaded into the >> EXS while switching between songs in Logic, right? I'm using it live >> and the wait for the instruments to load can be agonizing. I have a >> song set up with all the instruments I regularly use loaded in and >> that works great until I need to load up another song to play. > >There is a preference somewhere.... Maybe EXS Options panel, that >says something like "Keep same instruments in memory when changing >songs". If you search the manual with something like "same >instrument" you'll find it I'm sure... > Oh yeah? Wow! It didn't even occur to me to look for the option. I assumed EXS had to load up as each song loaded. Thanks a million! I'll dig into the manual tomorrow. -- Doug

> >> There isn't any way to keep the instruments loaded into the > >> EXS while switching between songs in Logic, right? I'm using it live > >> and the wait for the instruments to load can be agonizing. I have a > >> song set up with all the instruments I regularly use loaded in and > >> that works great until I need to load up another song to play. > > > >There is a preference somewhere.... Maybe EXS Options panel, that > >says something like "Keep same instruments in memory when changing > >songs". If you search the manual with something like "same > >instrument" you'll find it I'm sure... > > > > Oh yeah? Wow! It didn't even occur to me to look for the > option. I assumed EXS had to load up as each song loaded. > > Thanks a million! I'll dig into the manual tomorrow. > -- My trick is to preload EXS samples that have been saved as performances in another track further down on my arrangement. That way when I call them up on another track for my splits or layers, whatever, they are already preloaded. Third party samplers won't do this in Logic, at least Kontakt won't.

> > > >There is a preference somewhere.... Maybe EXS Options panel, that >> >says something like "Keep same instruments in memory when changing >> >songs". If you search the manual with something like "same >> >instrument" you'll find it I'm sure... >> > >> >> Oh yeah? Wow! It didn't even occur to me to look for the >> option. I assumed EXS had to load up as each song loaded. >> >> Thanks a million! I'll dig into the manual tomorrow. >> -- > >My trick is to preload EXS samples that have been saved as >performances in another track >further down on my arrangement. That way when I call them up on >another track for my >splits or layers, whatever, they are already preloaded. Third party >samplers won't do this in >Logic, at least Kontakt won't. Hi Paul, I had a minute to mess with this tonight. I found a pref "keep common samples in memory when switching songs" on the EXS Instrument Editor page. That helps if I happen to be going to a song that uses some of the same samples as the last song. Certainly a step in the right direction but not the panacea I was hoping for. :-( The trick you talk about above only works while you are working in the same song, right? I do that with my general performance song that loads up the samples I routinely use. The delay occurs when EXS loads up samples after I change songs. I don't see a way around that problem unless I'm misunderstanding the concept. What I'd like to have is the ability to load the samples into EXS for the night and keep 'em there. Thus avoiding the delay while the samples for each song load. I guess that's not possible in a soft sampler. Thanks for your responses. -- Doug

On 29/06/2006, at 1:16 PM, Doug Slick wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I had a minute to mess with this tonight. I found a pref > "keep common samples in memory when switching songs" on the EXS > Instrument Editor page. That helps if I happen to be going to a song > that uses some of the same samples as the last song. Certainly a > step in the right direction but not the panacea I was hoping for. :-( That was the pref I was thinking of and no it won't help you across different instruments from song to song > The trick you talk about above only works while you are > working in the same song, right? Correct. > I do that with my general > performance song that loads up the samples I routinely use. The > delay occurs when EXS loads up samples after I change songs. I don't > see a way around that problem unless I'm misunderstanding the concept. You're getting it just right. I'm assuming you need to load different songs because you actually have to PLAY songs back. I don't have to run Logic. I merely use it as a rack of synths and live vocoder. As such I only have one song and I never have to hit play so the approach works for me. You have to have EXS virtual memory turned on. Once it is you can have many more instruments loaded whose total ram requirements far exceed that of your physical ram. It seems to work well. > What I'd like to have is the ability to load the samples into > EXS for the night and keep 'em there. Thus avoiding the delay while > the samples for each song load. I guess that's not possible in a > soft sampler. It might be if you had a standalone sampler like Kontakt triggered via rewire??? ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

> >You're getting it just right. I'm assuming you need to load different >songs because you actually have to PLAY songs back. Yup. That's just what happens on my gigs. Back and forth... >I don't have to >run Logic. I merely use it as a rack of synths and live vocoder. As >such I only have one song and I never have to hit play so the >approach works for me. Yeah. That's what I do till I need to run another song. Works great, as you say. >You have to have EXS virtual memory turned on. >Once it is you can have many more instruments loaded whose total ram >requirements far exceed that of your physical ram. It seems to work >well. Oooohhhh! I didn't know about this till just now. Seems I already had it checked but it seems to point to another issue I've been encountering. I hit play on a song and it goes a bar or two in and then stops. Get an error message something like "Not read from disk in time" or something like is mentioned on the virtual memory page of the EXS. I'm reluctant to mess with it now 'cause I have a job tomorrow and I have been using a work around that gets me through the gig. I'll check it out after I get past this weekend's work. Perhaps I'll find a solution to that problem. Man, there's a lot to these virtual instruments. Whew... > >> What I'd like to have is the ability to load the samples into >> EXS for the night and keep 'em there. Thus avoiding the delay while >> the samples for each song load. I guess that's not possible in a >> soft sampler. > >It might be if you had a standalone sampler like Kontakt triggered >via rewire??? Hmm. Maybe, but I don't own either and I haven't caught up from buying Logic 7 & my G4 laptop. New purchases are definitely not on the current agenda here. :-) Thanks for your help, Paul. -- Doug