As the official curmudgeon of this list, I'd like to say that I just got 7.1 a half hour ago, installed it, and tried the Follow Tempo option. It is utterly great. I tried massive accelerandi/ritardandi and sudden tempo changes, etc. and it did very, very well. Sometimes if a sudden change is too much it helps to break the audio file in two at that point, but otherwise... Job well done! Best Wishes, Michael A. Levine

On 5/2/05, Michael Levine <mlmusic@...> wrote: > As the official curmudgeon of this list, I'd like to say that I just > got 7.1 a half hour ago, installed it, and tried the Follow Tempo > option. It is utterly great. I tried massive accelerandi/ritardandi > and sudden tempo changes, etc. and it did very, very well. Sometimes > What instrument did you play?

Just wanted to report that the bug in which the sample editor window came up blank now seems to be fixed in 7.1. Don

>As the official curmudgeon of this list, I'd like to say that I just >got 7.1 a half hour ago, installed it, and tried the Follow Tempo >option. It is utterly great. I tried massive accelerandi/ritardandi >and sudden tempo changes, etc. and it did very, very well. Sometimes >if a sudden change is too much it helps to break the audio file in two >at that point, but otherwise... >Job well done! Hello, I was very interested in this feature myself. Presumably it is not as extensive as the Warp function of Live, in that one can actually add in beat markers within the region? That is, this simply stretches/compresses the entire region in linear fashion, rather than selectively adjusting material within the region? Thank you for any additional insight. Cheers, 3

>> On May 2, 2005, at 23:58, Michael Levine wrote: >> As the official curmudgeon of this list, I'd like to say that I just >> got 7.1 a half hour ago, installed it, and tried the Follow Tempo >> option. It is utterly great. I tried massive accelerandi/ritardandi >> and sudden tempo changes, etc. and it did very, very well. Sometimes >> if a sudden change is too much it helps to break the audio file in >> two >> at that point, but otherwise... >> Job well done! >> > > On May 3, 2005, at 4:14, Zenon Marko wrote: > Hello, > > I was very interested in this feature myself. > Presumably it is not as extensive as the Warp function of Live, in > that one can actually add in beat markers within the region? Yes. In Follow Tempo you can not edit the "relative grid" that glues the recording to the global tempo grid, the way you can move beat markers in live. However, AFAIK you can achieve the similar result in Logic by cutting the audio region and moving the snippets around. > That is, this simply stretches/compresses the entire region in linear > fashion, rather than selectively adjusting material within the region? Correct! But I would say it follows global tempo changes perfectly. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen

On 5/3/05, Per Boysen <per@...> wrote: > > > Yes. In Follow Tempo you can not edit the "relative grid" that glues > the recording to the global tempo grid, the way you can move beat > markers in live. However, AFAIK you can achieve the similar result in > Logic by cutting the audio region and moving the snippets around. Thanks for the info, this is very interesting, need to get Tiger and 7.1should arrive tomorrow. What's the sound quality when tempo goes down, Ableton Live's warp algorithms usually break down when speeding down. Anyway, this is very interesting news, means one could use Logic for remix work even more easily now. -- Something, Anything!

> Yes. In Follow Tempo you can not edit the "relative grid" that glues > the recording to the global tempo grid, the way you can move beat > markers in live. However, AFAIK you can achieve the similar result in > Logic by cutting the audio region and moving the snippets around. > > > That is, this simply stretches/compresses the entire region in linear > > fashion, rather than selectively adjusting material within the region? > > Correct! But I would say it follows global tempo changes perfectly. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen Oooouh, this is starting to sound encouraging... :) It will be interesting to see how functional, fast & clean cutting up Regions to 'beat' will be in comparison to Live. (BTW, I use & like Live too, but would rather just do time stretching of beats IN Logic and avoid ReWire flakyness - unless I'm jamming in Live's '`Sessions' view. I'm also not happy that Live doesn't do 'transient detection' & so the sound goes mushy when stretched...) I also wonder if the time stretching of 'recorded IN L7.1' audio (forgot name) will be the way to go... Yes, it must be 'recorded IN' L7 (apparently) to stretch automatically to tempo when moved from it's orig. time... But for older files, couldn't one 'set to taste' the Global 'beat mapping' track to the old file, then 'bounce' the region out to get the correct tempo markings 'into' the file? (OR, if bounce doesn't work, record out & loop back into another track with a digital cable or via the 'sidechain record' trick? ) Hope that makes sense. ;-/ I guess I'll find out within a few days... rRand

randwman wrote: <snip> > > I also wonder if the time stretching of 'recorded IN L7.1' audio > (forgot name) will be the > way to go... Yes, it must be 'recorded IN' L7 (apparently) to stretch > automatically to tempo > when moved from it's orig. time... But for older files, couldn't one > 'set to taste' the Global > 'beat mapping' track to the old file, then 'bounce' the region out > to get the correct tempo > markings 'into' the file? (OR, if bounce doesn't work, record out & > loop back into another > track with a digital cable or via the 'sidechain record' trick? ) > Hope that makes sense. ;-/ > I guess I'll find out within a few days... > rRand Just do a bounce in 7.1 and add to audio window. -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

> > I also wonder if the time stretching of 'recorded IN L7.1' audio > > (forgot name) will be the > > way to go... Yes, it must be 'recorded IN' L7 (apparently) to stretch > > automatically to tempo > > when moved from it's orig. time... But for older files, couldn't one > > 'set to taste' the Global > > 'beat mapping' track to the old file, then 'bounce' the region out > > to get the correct tempo > > markings 'into' the file? (OR, if bounce doesn't work, record out & > > loop back into another > > track with a digital cable or via the 'sidechain record' trick? ) > > Hope that makes sense. ;-/ > > I guess I'll find out within a few days... > > rRand > > Just do a bounce in 7.1 and add to audio window. > > -- > Pete Thomas > www.petethomas.co.uk > - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments Yea... but IF one wants to use an older pre 7.1 recorded file one needs to get accurate tempo information INTO the file (so it'll warp TO tempo) so one HAS to first use the Global 'Beat Mapper' to get the Global tempo to match it.. No? rRand

On May 3, 2005, at 10:33, randwman wrote: > . But for older files, couldn't one > 'set to taste' the Global > 'beat mapping' track to the old file, then 'bounce' the region out > to get the correct tempo > markings 'into' the file? (OR, if bounce doesn't work, record out & > loop back into another > track with a digital cable or via the 'sidechain record' trick? ) Yes. Both methods can be used! This is a great upgrade :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen

> > . But for older files, couldn't one > > 'set to taste' the Global > > 'beat mapping' track to the old file, then 'bounce' the region out > > to get the correct tempo > > markings 'into' the file? (OR, if bounce doesn't work, record out & > > loop back into another > > track with a digital cable or via the 'sidechain record' trick? ) > > > Yes. Both methods can be used! This is a great upgrade :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen Thanks for the good news Per! (BTW, I enjoyed your site & music!) I'm curious how the various Apple stretch techniques will all compare (a far as fidelity or control) to Live, Melodyne or Prosonic/Nuendos Mpex... But I'll find out soon enough. ;) cheers rRand