In the apple store, shipping 2-3 weeks: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/72001/wo/175 58a9GPJLY360d2CK2hUL88KS/1.0 .11.1.0.6.25.7.11.1.3 kind regards Mark Cahill

Wow - even if I'm still on 5.5.1/PC, I must say that this update is looking REALLY good for a 0.1 one (OK, usually you wouldn't expect to pay for anything below a 0.5 update, but maybe that's part of Apple's strategies, and actually 20 bucks ain't all that much for such an amount of things). Now nobody will ever be able to complain about the lack of full PDC anymore. Hmmmm.... still only around 500 Euros saved for that G5. Maybe I should've stayed away from the new mountain bike. - Sascha

On 06.04.2005, at 13:01, Sascha Franck wrote: > Hmmmm.... still only around 500 Euros saved for that G5. Maybe I > should've stayed away from the new mountain bike. No. Your mountain bike has not latency either but groove control works much better and it supports any external controller like trees, stones and bears. Peter Ostry

> On 06.04.2005, at 13:01, Sascha Franck wrote: > >> Hmmmm.... still only around 500 Euros saved for that G5. Maybe I >> should've stayed away from the new mountain bike. On Apr 6, 2005, at 13:53, Peter Ostry wrote: > No. > Your mountain bike has not latency either but groove control works much > better and it supports any external controller like trees, stones and > bears. Ha, ha! Stones and trees as external controllers! Your words make a really funny movie roll up inside my head ;-) pboy

Peter Ostry wrote: > No. > Your mountain bike has not latency either but groove control works much > better and it supports any external controller like trees, stones and > bears. I guess you haven't seen me cycling yet then... my groove control could pretty much need a quantize function every now and then it seems (at least that's what my legs, from their look, are telling me. This: http://www.halle53.de/pics/21-08-04_2054.jpg could as well be mine. Better don't even look at it...). And, regarding the bears... yeah, probably there's some "Haribo Goldbären" external controller input (winegum bears, fyi, http://www.mypaper.de/isroot/Produktbilder/Medium/25416XA1.gif). - Sascha

On 06.04.2005, at 14:30, Sascha Franck wrote: > there's some "Haribo Goldbären" external controller input (winegum > bears, fyi, Oh, I know them well. I have a .com domain but actually I am an .at guy and we eat a lot of these small animals here. But those are rather output controllers :-) Peter Ostry

Hi, I'm surprised that no one has jumped up and down and screamed with joy over the *full* plugin delay compensation in 7.1, especially with all of the complaining when it wasn't part of 7.0. Looking quickly at some of the announced features, it appears that someone's been listening to our requests. Even the ability to drag Ultrabeat sequences to the arrange is in there. For $20 only, this is an awesome upgrade. <jumping up & down> Yay! Full plugin delay compensation !!!!!!! Someone had to do it ;-) Fernstudio

On 6.4.2005, at 14:53, Peter Ostry wrote: > > On 06.04.2005, at 13:01, Sascha Franck wrote: > >> Hmmmm.... still only around 500 Euros saved for that G5. Maybe I >> should've stayed away from the new mountain bike. > > No. > Your mountain bike has not latency either but groove control works much > better and it supports any external controller like trees, stones and > bears. yeah but it can crash really hard :-) Cheers Check out the web page for my band updated 12.12.2004 . New home address : http://jormapen.fidisk.fi

Hello, I was intrigued by this feature listed for 7.1: "8. Follow Tempo Option for Recorded Audio Enable the new "Follow Tempo" Region parameter for any audio recorded into your song, and Logic will time and pitch shift the file when you change the song's tempo or key." Is this meant to offer a sort of "liquid audio" functionality as in Ableton Live? Or does it simply automate the existing time-stretching? I imagine it's too much to hope for that there might be a sort of beat detection or beat mapping functionality of the sort found in Live (and ProTools, and to a certain extend in DP). 3

On Apr 6, 2005 10:30 PM, Sascha Franck <S.Franck@...> wrote: > > And, regarding the bears... yeah, probably there's some "Haribo Goldbären" external controller input (winegum bears, fyi, > http://www.mypaper.de/isroot/Produktbilder/Medium/25416XA1.gif). Oh yum, haven't had any of those since I left Germany 20 years ago. Someone hand me a napkin, I'm drooling... michael (without Goldbären down under)

Zenon Marko <z_marko@...> wrote: >"8. Follow Tempo Option for Recorded Audio > Enable the new "Follow Tempo" Region parameter for any audio >recorded into your song, and Logic will time and pitch shift the file >when you change the song's tempo or key." > >Is this meant to offer a sort of "liquid audio" functionality as in >Ableton Live? Or does it simply automate the existing time-stretching? I don't know how Abelton Live works, but this Elastic Audio capability means that all audio generated by Logic 7.1 (recording, bouncing, converting) will automatically time stretch/compress in the Arrange when the tempo changes. And you can also change the pitch. It's very similar to how an Apple Loop behaves in the Arrange, but you can actually turn it on or off for each audio file. It happens totally on the fly. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

f-erenc, are there any TDM/DTDM enhancements or specific fixes (despite ADC on DTDM)? Regards, Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

f-erenc szabo wrote: > > >I don't know how Abelton Live works, but this Elastic Audio >capability means that all audio generated by Logic 7.1 (recording, >bouncing, converting) will automatically time stretch/compress >in the Arrange when the tempo changes. And you can also change >the pitch. It's very similar to how an Apple Loop behaves in the >Arrange, but you can actually turn it on or off for each audio file. > >It happens totally on the fly. That is certainly an improvement over the old Logic way of time-stretching audio. Still, I assume this means that an entire region is scaled by a fixed amount. Live's algorithms are much more sophisticated. The strength of Live is in the ability to map out the beats (to as much detail as one wishes), and Live will adjust the date inside the region to line up beats with the song structure. That is, different sections will be smoothly compressed or expanded automatically according to the beat map. So, for example, one can make a live rhythm track recorded without a click perfectly in time, or give it a different feel if one wishes, without cutting up the audio as in Recycle. The result is much smoother and more convincing than Recycle can achieve. ProTools has similar functionality in its Beat Detective. DP has added Beat Detection, although I have no sense of how well that function works as I have not tested it yet. But Live is amazing. It's no replacement for Logic as a production environment, as the MIDI and audio compositional features as well as quality of effects plug-ins leaves much to be desired, but what it does it does incredibly well. I spoke with Apple today about the feature, and the rep thought that this new "Follow Tempo" feature in L7.1 is much more limited than what Live can do, and Logic will not yet have beat detection or beat mapping in the full sense of Live. He did not know whether such functionality is in the works, but I assume it is, and users who would like to see this function incorporated into Logic should definitely e-mail to suggest this logicnotes@... so that our beloved Sound on Sound Logic Notes editor and Logician par excellence, Len Sasso, can forward our wishes to the 1 Infinite Strasse. Cheerios, 3

> f-erenc szabo wrote: > >I don't know how Abelton Live works, but this Elastic Audio > >capability means that all audio generated by Logic 7.1 (recording, > >bouncing, converting) will automatically time stretch/compress > >in the Arrange when the tempo changes. And you can also change > >the pitch. It's very similar to how an Apple Loop behaves in the > >Arrange, but you can actually turn it on or off for each audio file. > >It happens totally on the fly. > Zenon Marko <z_marko@e...> wrote: > That is certainly an improvement over the old Logic way of > time-stretching audio. Still, I assume this means that an entire > region is scaled by a fixed amount. > > Live's algorithms are much more sophisticated. The strength of Live > is in the ability to map out the beats (to as much detail as one > wishes), and Live will adjust the date inside the region to line up > beats with the song structure. That is, different sections will be > smoothly compressed or expanded automatically according to the beat > map. So, for example, one can make a live rhythm track recorded > without a click perfectly in time, or give it a different feel if one > wishes, without cutting up the audio as in Recycle. The result is > much smoother and more convincing than Recycle can achieve. > etc... YES, gooOoo Zenon! 'Beat mapping' is what I've been harping on since AppleLoops was introduced! FWIW, It's great that AppleLoops does 'transient detection' & all (which Live does NOT do and mushes the sound as a result) but a lot of times I need to 'beat map' a few notes because my cool 'realtime performed' loop/region has some sloppy beats or I just want to adjust it's feel to the overall songs groove. Gaud, if Logic could do this I wouldn't have to deal with flakey ReWire & Live 90% of the time. rRand

randwman wrote: <snip> > YES, gooOoo Zenon! > 'Beat mapping' is what I've been harping on since AppleLoops was introduced! > FWIW, It's great that AppleLoops does 'transient detection' & all (which Live does NOT do > and mushes the sound as a result) but a lot of times I need to 'beat map' a few notes > because my cool 'realtime performed' loop/region has some sloppy beats or I just want to > adjust it's feel to the overall songs groove. > Gaud, if Logic could do this I wouldn't have to deal with flakey ReWire & Live 90% of the > time. Unless I'm mistaken, Live is quite good at this. You can edit the placement of the transients and quantise audio, which you can't do with Apple Loops. Or have I misinterpreted what you are saying? -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

> Unless I'm mistaken, Live is quite good at this. You can edit the > placement of the transients and quantise audio, which you can't do with > Apple Loops. > > Or have I misinterpreted what you are saying? > Pete Thomas Hi With Live one can make 'beat markers' which one can stretch to different parts of the waveform. It's great for fixing an off note or changing the groove. ( I really wish AppleLoops would do this!) BUT, Live does not do 'transient detection' (which AppleLoops do) but it does some sort of grain stretch via preset beat values (16th, 18th, quarter notes, etc..) It mushes the audio to much for 'me'.. FWIW, I own Live and love it... but there are too many problems for 'me'... and I would rather stay in Logic (1 program) if possible. (I hate how ReWire adds instability to both aps, and when one goes down - they both go down. Though it'd be heaven if it worked solidly.) I will probably still use them both for a while. :) cheers rRand

Lesson to be learned: All-in-ones are rarely as good at specialized functions as the specialized programs. In that spirit, to hell with it: I just went ahead and ordered L7.1 AND Live. And Recycle as well. And Kontakt 2. Remember: You can't have a MusikMesse without a Mess. You'd think I'm rich, but in fact I'm just deeply and irredeemably silly. 3

Zenon Marko wrote: > > Lesson to be learned: All-in-ones are rarely as good at specialized > functions as the specialized programs. > > In that spirit, to hell with it: > I just went ahead and ordered L7.1 AND Live. > And Recycle as well. > And Kontakt 2. > > Remember: You can't have a MusikMesse without a Mess. > > You'd think I'm rich, but in fact I'm just deeply and irredeemably silly. Well, you could have bought the Live licence I'm selling very cheap... -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments