Hi, Peter wrote: >No problems here with 1-octave-bendings by joystick. You send just >notes and pitch bend commands and the audio instrument does what it >can Peter, are you sure you're getting note-on messages in the midst of your pitch-bend data? I just checked both of my input devices - Radium 49 pitch wheel, and GI-20 guitar for slide notes - and both only send pitch bend data, not notes (after the first one, of course). And in both cases Logic records only the pitch bend data and doesn't display any note information. So the score won't be correct, unless it has some way of interpolating the notes from the pitch bend data (which, as I said, is certainly mathematically possible). To be clear, my issue is not whether the audio instrument can play the data so that it sounds right - both of the devices do that. It's whether I can write a score that is correct, with the pitch bending notes reached shown on the score. So far this looks like a glaring omission in Logic's MIDI abilities to capture to score what a musician frequently does - namely bend/glide/slide notes more than a chromatic semi-tone. steven rowat

On 04.04.2005, at 20:24, steven_rowat@... wrote: >> No problems here with 1-octave-bendings by joystick. You send just >> notes and pitch bend commands and the audio instrument does what it >> can > > Peter, are you sure you're getting note-on messages in the midst of > your pitch-bend data? No, you cannot get note information from pitch bend data. What I call 1-octave-bending means that if I play a note on a specific instrument and move a specific pitchbend controller from one end to the other I hear a difference of one octave. Pitch bend controllers are different. You can have a "coarse" one (0-127, 64 means no bend) or a "fine" one (-8192 to +8191). Values are to be interpreted by the receiver. Pitch bend knows nothing about notes. Actually you record notes and pitch bend independendly. That is MIDI definition (not well defined anyway) and not Logics fault. > I just checked both of my input devices - Radium 49 pitch wheel, and > GI-20 guitar for slide notes - and both only send pitch bend data, not > notes (after the first one, of course). Even the first events are sent independendly. If a device is set to note+pitchbend (I guess that is your "slide mode") it sends a note/pitch pair when it detects a new note and continues sending pitch bend data until it detects a new note. > And in both cases Logic records only the pitch bend data and doesn't > display any note information. I think that is clear now? There is no note to record. Just pitch bend numbers to be interpreted by the receiver. Logic records the events and the audio instrument says how to interpret pitch bend data. If you change the instrument it might sound different. Some let you pitch over a wide range, some do not allow pitching at all. In the EXS you have the glide function, which is an automatic, adjustable pitch bend between two known notes. That is basically what you want to see in the score. I assume you tried already to control that. No dynamics and hard to play... > So the score won't be correct, unless it has some way of interpolating > the notes from the pitch bend data (which, as I said, is certainly > mathematically possible). Yes, but as you said in your previous mail that would trigger a new note. You have to write the score in a way other people know what you mean, there is no way to write it automatically correct during playing. Maybe you can add a "silent" note at the end? I do not know how muted notes print, but that could be a possibility. What about setting a different MIDI channel for the end-notes and connect that channel to the Nirwana (soundless instrument, empty track...)? Peter Ostry

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, steven_rowat@s... wrote: > To be clear, my issue is not whether the audio instrument can play >the data so that it sounds right - both of the devices do that. It's >whether I can write a score that is correct, with the pitch bending >notes reached shown on the score. > >So far this looks like a glaring omission in Logic's MIDI abilities >to capture to score what a musician frequently does - namely >bend/glide/slide notes more than a chromatic semi-tone. Steven, I don't consider this an omission as pitch-bend is read by the receiving instrument and can be from a half step, up to +/- two octaves on some synths. The pitch bend values Logic would use to judge pitch are relative to the instrument receiving the data. It's usually done the opposite from what you're trying to do. Notation has adapted to synth techniques but it's usually entered in the score by hand. I think both Finale and Sibelius have tools for notating pitch bend. At 14-bit resolution pitch bend would be hell to try and decipher and probably produce a very messy score. Howard