Can someone tell me excactly how to access and get banks/patches names that reside in my synths to populate in the instrument tracks list of LE? e.g. korg o5r/w multi banks,combination and programs that are accessed from its front panel button I would like to also select these items by name via the logic's track list..the multi -instrument is set in the environment so i see its synth name ..but the sound selections seem genericly named and does not reflect the actual/current names in the synth Using Logic express 7 with OS 10.3.8 ( No freemidi or oms obviously ,so how is this done in OS X and core midi ) Can't use soundiver with this vs of logic express help..... I've heard ox XML but cant figure if this is what i need or how to use it here are my synths(old school) roland d110,u220, yamaha tx7(with numerous banks that can be loaded),tx81z, alesis d4,akais3000xl, korg dss-1( with numeros sample disks) etc..

> Can someone tell me excactly > how to access and get banks/patches names that reside in my > synths to populate in the instrument tracks list of LE? The patch names for the first 15 banks can be redefined by you, but beyond that you'll have to use a cheat sheet with bank numbers and patch numbers. This is the one really irritating thing about Logic to me and it is an area that desperately needs attention from the Logic programmers. Look in your manual in the chapter about the environment for info. I think it is in or near the section about multi-instruments. Kamm

On Mar 4, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Kamm Schreiner wrote: > The patch names for the first 15 banks can be redefined by you, but > beyond > that you'll have to use a cheat sheet with bank numbers and patch > numbers. > This is the one really irritating thing about Logic to me and it is an > area > that desperately needs attention from the Logic programmers. At first I thought you meant 15 patches. That would be irritating. But 15 BANKS? If that was the only irritating thing that desperately needed attention I'd be ecstatic.

> At first I thought you meant 15 patches. That would be irritating. > But 15 BANKS? If that was the only irritating thing that > desperately needed attention I'd be ecstatic. Considering my main sound module has probably around 100 banks it is a very big deal to me. ;) Kamm

On Mar 4, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Kamm Schreiner wrote: >> At first I thought you meant 15 patches. That would be irritating. >> But 15 BANKS? If that was the only irritating thing that >> desperately needed attention I'd be ecstatic. > > Considering my main sound module has probably around 100 banks it is a > very > big deal to me. ;) I can see that it would be, but would this problem be common enough that it should be a top priority for changes to Logic? Is there a workaround where you could get it to appear as several different instruments, or do something like a page swap when you want to access upper banks? There is a similar problem with the old Proteus modules that only allow 64 addressable patches. In any one song, 64 is plenty, so you would just load all those you need into the addressable locations, and put a sysex sequence in your song, that you play one time at each session, that loads these patches.

> I can see that it would be, but would this problem be common > enough that it should be a top priority for changes to Logic? With respect to MIDI I believe that Logic is ahead of its competitors in every aspect expect this one. So I'd have to say yes. Every other DAW out there that I'm aware of makes this process simple and Cubase/Nuendo make it elegant. > Is there a workaround where you could get it to appear as > several different instruments, or do something like a page > swap when you want to access upper banks? I don't think that there is, but the environment of Logic is so complex that I could be wrong. Any suggestions would be welcome. My only current thought would be to create 5 or 6 multi-instruments for the same sound module, I haven't tried that approach yet, but it is ugly at best. In Logic, you cannot name the banks, you can only access them by number or by the name of the first patch in the bank - not very useful at all. Because of that I still need a cheat sheet even for the first 15 banks that have patch names just so I know what's in them. In Cubase, not only can you name the banks, but the banks become meaningless because you can create groups of instruments so that all of your piano patches are in one group (basically a folder) regardless of the bank they exist in and all of your bass patches are in another group. You can even have groups within groups so that you have all of your fretless bass patches in a subgroup of the bass group and all the picked bass patches in another subgroup. It is really an awesome solution to a real problem and is completely user configurable. I've left Apple feedback about this and I really hope they do something in, perhaps, a 7.1 release. > There is a similar problem with the old Proteus modules that > only allow > 64 addressable patches. In any one song, 64 is plenty, so you > would just load all those you need into the addressable > locations, and put a sysex sequence in your song, that you > play one time at each session, that loads these patches. I appreciate your suggestions, but using Logic's current approach is kind of like driving a Volkswagen after driving a Mercedes. It is a disappointing ride. ;) Kamm

Everyone... PLEASE... If you have a feature that you think needs to be addressed by the designers of Logic --- and I think MIDI patch list implementation is in *dire* need of improvement--- let them know about it here: http://www.apple.com/feedback/logic.html Thanks!