On Dec 1, 2004, at 10:06 PM, Sean McCoy <osr@...> wrote: > In designing a Logic-based project studio for a client, I'm faced with > the > prospect of setting up Logic at the center of a potentially complicated > environment. This client uses multiple MIDI keyboards and modules, and > would like to be able to incorporate those into live studio recordings > with > full bands. Arming and recording onto multiple audio tracks is not an > issue, but arming and recording multiple MIDI tracks is. What if I'd > like > him to be able to record all his MIDI data on discrete tracks > simultaneously? Is this even possible? It is possible in Logic, but it's not as pretty as you'd like it to be. Logic can record all his MIDI data simultaneously, but only on one track. He'll need to do a bit of "cleanup" to get it on multiple tracks. So he'll need to: 1) Set each MIDI module to a discrete MIDI channel 2) Record all MIDI onto a single MIDI track in Logic 3) Select Region > Split/Demix > Demix by Event channel So really it requires a fair amount of initial setup (putting every module on its own MIDI channel) and then one extra step (demixing everything to a discrete track after recording)--but it shouldn't be necessary. Ideally, Logic should allow multi-recording of MIDI. The only problem I see with this is that I'm not sure if it also demixes by Port in case you use every single MIDI channel on one port. In other words, since each MIDI port can only handle 16 channels, if your client records simultaneously using 17 MIDI channels on 2 MIDI IN ports, you would have a situation where one group of MIDI events would be on MIDI channel 1, but from Port 1, and another group from MIDI channel 1, but from Port 2. I'm not sure if Logic would properly Demix this, or consider both group of events coming from "MIDI channel 1." OTOH, recording 17+ MIDI channels *simultaneously* is pretty hard core! ;) > Can any software comfortably handle > this situation? Digital Performer handles multi-recording of MIDI just like audio--you have to record enable MIDI tracks just like audio, and you can rec-enable as many as you want. I believe that Cubase SX/Nuendo can as well--its been a while, but I seem to recall the old Cubase VST had a "multi-record" mode, where you could set up recording of more than one MIDI track. If I'm remembering correctly, I'm sure they carried that forward. > I'm used to either overdubbing to clicks and/or sequences, > or using only one MIDI device along with the live players, so I'm > curious > as to what some of you high-end users do when players with mondo MIDI > setups record with acoustic musicians. If you can convince your client that he really wants to be making his sounds from the EXS and other audio instruments, Logic *can* multi-record AI tracks, so that's another way to go... Hope that helps, Orren ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.mertonfolio.com Author of: • Logic_6_Power - http://www.courseptr.com/ptr_detail.cfm?isbn=1592001289 • GarageBand Ignite - http://www.courseptr.com/ptr_detail.cfm?isbn=1592004741

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Orren Merton <orren@l...> wrote: > Logic can record all his MIDI data simultaneously, but only on one > track. You can have it demix on the fly - see "auto demix by channel" in record options. In practice, this can be more trouble than it's worth if also audio recording at the same time. > I'm not sure if Logic would properly Demix > this, or consider both group of events coming from "MIDI channel 1." The same channel from different input ports will be irretrievably merged when they hit the sequencer input. > OTOH, recording 17+ MIDI channels *simultaneously* is pretty hard core! Not at all. My setup: Drum pads with each pad transmitting on a different channel (8 channels), plus a controller keyboard addressing a 16-channel multitimbral synth module (or whatever), with the keyboard player freely changing channels and issuing bank/program changes to load and play different patches. Logic simply cannot record this setup due to the port-merging. I'm forced to limit the keyboard to 8 channels. Bummer. I'd actually like to have a TWO 16-channel keyboard/modules set up for fast recording, AND potentially allow the drumpads separate access to a full 16 channels worth of sounds. 3 x 16 channels... John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------