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From: Gareth Hemmings <ghemmings@...>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 at 5:22:39 PM
Subject: [OT] problem with EXS Old Lady piano
Message #178635
Just received my EXS Old Lady from the Northern Sounds group buy. Anyone else get this and load it successfully? I copied the .exs files to the Logic exs file and put all the samples with my other samples on my second drive just like I have done with all my other exs instruments but when I call up the old lady files it can¹t the .wav files. This has never been a prob before (and I ran project manager to resolve links etc). Have I missed something obvious? In the documentation it talks about using stuffit to expand files, although there were no stuffit expandable files on the disc. Would be interested to know whether anyone else has managed to do this ok. Thanks in advance Gareth Hemmings Logic 6.4.3 Dual G4 1.42 1GB ram OSX.3.6
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From: James Ryan <jeryan@...>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 at 5:46:34 PM
Subject: Re: [LUG] [OT] problem with EXS Old Lady piano
Message #178640
This is a reply to #178635.
> Just received my EXS Old Lady from the Northern Sounds group buy. Anyone > else get this and load it successfully? I copied the .exs files to the > Logic exs file and put all the samples with my other samples on my second > drive just like I have done with all my other exs instruments but when I > call up the old lady files it can¹t the .wav files. This has never been a > prob before (and I ran project manager to resolve links etc). Have I missed > something obvious? In the documentation it talks about using stuffit to > expand files, although there were no stuffit expandable files on the disc. > > Would be interested to know whether anyone else has managed to do this ok. > > Thanks in advance > > Gareth Hemmings > > Logic 6.4.3 > Dual G4 1.42 > 1GB ram > OSX.3.6 Actually, I installed it, used EXSManager to resolve the file locations, opened an EXS instance, loaded the piano, waited almost five minutes for it to load, and it appeared. The problem was one side of the stereo image was piano and the other was white noise. This usually gets resolved when you change the file type, e.g. .wav to SDII, but that's a big bulk process I'm not looking forward to. I will email Michiel Post and let him know we're having problems and see if he can't help. James
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From: esp <mailinglists@...>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 at 6:41:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LUG] [OT] problem with EXS Old Lady piano
Message #178653
This is a reply to #178640.
On 1 Dec 2004, at 7:46, James Ryan wrote: > This usually gets resolved when you > change the file type, e.g. .wav to SDII, but that's a big bulk process > I'm > not looking forward to. I will email Michiel Post and let him know > we're > having problems and see if he can't help. Still waiting for my "Old Lady". Anybody know of an OSX app that can batch convert between .wav and .aif? (SampleSearch can do this, but only in OS9) The suffix will probably change too (changing the actual file name), but I think ExsManager is able to resolve the instruments anyway... How many samples are we talking about, maybe worth doing it manually in Peak? / Henrik
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From: "sleazyjoeblob" <azyte@...>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 at 2:59:05 AM
Subject: Re: [LUG] problem with EXS Old Lady piano
Message #178673
This is a reply to #178653.
--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, esp <mailinglists@e...> wrote: > Still waiting for my "Old Lady". Anybody know of an OSX app that can > batch convert between .wav and .aif? > > / Henrik Sample manager will do it, and loads of other things too. http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/
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From: "Pete Thomas" <pt@...>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 at 3:03:57 AM
Subject: Re: [LUG] problem with EXS Old Lady piano
Message #178674
This is a reply to #178635.
--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Gareth Hemmings <ghemmings@b...> wrote: > Just received my EXS Old Lady from the Northern Sounds group buy. Anyone > else get this and load it successfully? I copied the .exs files to the > Logic exs file and put all the samples with my other samples on mysecond > drive just like I have done with all my other exs instruments but when I > call up the old lady files it can¹t the .wav files. This has never been a > prob before (and I ran project manager to resolve links etc). Have I missed > something obvious? In the documentation it talks about using stuffit to > expand files, although there were no stuffit expandable files on the disc. > Would be interested to know whether anyone else has managed to do this ok. > Thanks in advance I had this problem when I got the Old Lady a couple of weeks ago. I could not solve it with project manager so I emailed Michiel and he sent a new DVD which did have sit files. This one worked fine. BTW I have uploaded an environment which gets the Old Lady pedal noise to work with the sustain pedal. Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments
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From: "michielpost2003" <mpost@...>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 at 6:09:43 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] problem with EXS Old Lady piano
Message #178681
This is a reply to #178635.
Hi, The EXS24 sample location is critical. See: http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showpost.php? p"6754&postcount 7 The same info is on our wesbite: http://www.postpiano.com/support/allUpdates.php?id4 Here is the plain text version: EXS installation issues: The Emagic Exs24 sampler uses 2 kinds of files for its operations: instrument files and samples. Instrument files contain all the Exs24 parameters, zone settings, groups, and a list of references to sample files. A Reference is a data structure inside the instrument file that points to a sample file location on the hard disk. The system works beautifully when, on instrument loading, Exs24 finds the samples exactly in the places the references indicate they should be. In this way load time will be next to zero. When, for various reasons, Exs24 doesn't find the samples at their referenced location, it must search them on the hard disk, and with nowadays typical huge sample libraries like pianos or orchestral libraries this can be a long slow operation. When we (the sample library producer) burn the Instrument files to disk, their instrument files are referencing to samples with a specific location on our drive. Hence, when installed on our customers systems these references are only valid when the user has the same drive name and folder structure, which is highly unlikely. This causes EXS24 to start looking for samples. Typically EXS24 is set to search for samples on local drives. But it can not always find the files. One reason can be that the file size, file name, bit depth or other variables have changed since the last instrument edit. If recognition failed the error: "Can't find file:xxxx" appears, usually followed by an incomplete EXs24 instrument that (when it plays anything at all) gives loud bursts of white noise and silences in random combinations, all very suited for experimental electronic music compositions that were so popular during the 60's but not a nice warm piano sound as you would expect. Logic 6 introduced Project Manager for handling the task of keeping track of references to resources by using a database. While being an excellent overall solution, it lacks some of the features needed to handle an efficient, well-maintained and well-organized sample library. Moving and copying all files to locations by hand would become an impossible job. And now the good news: A company called Rematica (www.redmatica.com) makes a program, called ExsManager, that locates your samples and fixes the references inside the instrument files to wherever you placed your samples. And what's even better about the program is that it operates in seconds. And what is even more exciting the program has a free downloadable version of just 2 MB @ this page: http://www.redmatica.com/Site/Pages/EM.php that will do all this magic for you with a maximum of 40 instruments and 30.000 samples, which is just enough for our piano libraries. So, after unstuffing the SitX files to your hard drive of choice download the demo version of ExsManager and run it to fix the references. To do so you need to set the instrument path and the samples path correct. Click Analyse, then process and after 3 seconds all references are set for your specific situation. Shameless plug: Buy the full version of ExsManager and re-organise your whole sample collection this way! The program costs just 40 euro and will save you many hours of frustration. There is a Pro edition that has a very cool feature: SampleMerge. This process lets you consolidate your sample library in the lowest possible number of (big) files. In this way, when streaming, you can use many more instruments simultaneously, as you are streaming from a much lower number of files. It vastly improves the performance of EXS24 streaming. So the new installation instructions: - Unstuff the EXS24 sitx installer files. * (You can use StuffIt X archives on any version of the Mac OS from 8.6 to 9.x, and any version of Mac OS X. You can also use StuffIt X archives on Windows. StuffIt X archives cannot be expanded by older versions of StuffIt Deluxe or StuffIt Expander. In order to expand a StuffIt X archive, you must have a copy of at least StuffIt Expander 7.0 installed. To make your life easier, StuffIt Expander is free to any Macintosh or PC user. If you need a copy of StuffIt Expander, visit their website: www.stuffit.com/expander - The location where samples are stored in the new Logic Pro 7 edition is: Macintosh HD>Library>Application Support>Logic>Sampler Instruments. - You can also install the Old Lady anywhere else on your hard drive and place a shortcut (alias) in this folder. - download the demo edition of ExsManager from www.redmatica.com http://www.redmatica.com/Site/Pages/EM.php - Run the program to fix all references to fit your situation. - Set the instrument and sample paths and use these settings: http://www.postpiano.com/support/updates/exs24/exsman.JPG - Click analyse and process. - The instruments will now show up and play correct in EXS24 after launching the program. Note: There is a special environment for Logic that enables you to activate the pedal sound when using the sustain pedal. When you push the pedal you hear the sound of the pedal and when you release it you hear the corresponding sound. You can download it from the Pete Thomas website http://www.petethomas.co.uk/logic-environment-downloads.html See screen: http://www.petethomas.co.uk/pic-comp/pedalenvironment.jpg __________________ Michiel Post Creative Director Post Musical Instruments Get the most realistic samples from www.postpiano.com
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From: James Ryan <jeryan@...>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 at 9:59:47 AM
Subject: Re: [LUG] [OT] problem with EXS Old Lady piano
Message #178697
This is a reply to #178653.
> Still waiting for my "Old Lady". Anybody know of an OSX app that can > batch convert between .wav and .aif? (SampleSearch can do this, but > only in OS9) The suffix will probably change too (changing the actual > file name), but I think ExsManager is able to resolve the instruments > anyway... How many samples are we talking about, maybe worth doing it > manually in Peak? I believe Sample Manager http://www.audiofile-engineering.com does this. James
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