Im taking the plunge and moving from PC to mac, albeit on a limited budget I need to know whether it is viable to run Logic 7 on a 14" 1.33mhz ibook? My local apple centre suggested that no one would use anything less than a powerbook to run Logic 7 - but then they would as its an extra few hundred quid for them! I am looking at the 14" 1.33ghz with combi drive and 1.25gb of ram I mainly use virtual instruments with bits of audio - will this machine cope or should i shell out the extra for the powerbook they also suggested that Logic wouldnt work with a 12" screen - is this correct, as I have a monitor at home i could link up to the mac when i need more screen, or is logic not configured to work with the 12"'s?? if it does i could consider the 12" powerbook, but again am wary of shelling out the extra cash - what do you all think?

I was trying to use the special Apple Loops that contain MIDI information (the green logo ones) in Logic Pro 7. If I drag them to an audio window, everything works, but I get the recorded audio loop. If I drag them to an empty Audio Instrument track, or to a MIDI track, Logic crashes. Anyone experienced this behaviour? Regards Fernando Manuel Rodrigues

On Nov 29, 2004, at 21:06, Fernando Manuel Rodrigues wrote: > I was trying to use the special Apple Loops that contain MIDI > information > (the green logo ones) in Logic Pro 7. If I drag them to an audio > window, > everything works, but I get the recorded audio loop. If I drag them to > an > empty Audio Instrument track, or to a MIDI track, Logic crashes. Anyone > experienced this behaviour? No. I'm dragging green Apple Loops to instrument tracks to "unpack them" into midi region, virtual instrument and applied effect plug-ins. Never had a crash when doing this. But I have never dragged them to a midi track, there's no sense in doing that. If you include a little more information on your system it will be easier for people to come up with suggestions. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen

On 29/11/04 7:18 pm, "shrp_eye" <shrp_eye@...> wrote: > Im taking the plunge and moving from PC to mac, albeit on a limited > budget > > I need to know whether it is viable to run Logic 7 on a 14" 1.33mhz > ibook? > > My local apple centre suggested that no one would use anything less > than a powerbook to run Logic 7 - but then they would as its an extra > few hundred quid for them! > > I am looking at the 14" 1.33ghz with combi drive and 1.25gb of ram > > I mainly use virtual instruments with bits of audio - will this > machine cope or should i shell out the extra for the powerbook > > they also suggested that Logic wouldnt work with a 12" screen - is > this correct, as I have a monitor at home i could link up to the mac > when i need more screen, or is logic not configured to work with the > 12"'s?? > > if it does i could consider the 12" powerbook, but again am wary of > shelling out the extra cash - what do you all think? Well unsurprisingly, the better machine you have, the more you can do with logic on it! I have a G5 2 X 2GHz that I use in my studio and it works great. Loads of software instruments etc, but I also use Logic on a first generation 400Mhz TiPowerbook and that does plenty too! I'd say that as long as you are realistic about it not being a dual processor and not being a G5, then a 1.33Ghz machine will do a fair amount. Use freeze on virtual instruments and heavily effected tracks and you get good results. I would also strongly recommend an external firewire hard drive for audio but these are pretty cheap these days. You can tweak logic to fit any size screen so to suggest that it "won't work" with a 12" implies that the salesman is either not knowledgeable enough to be selling Logic or is dishonest so I would strongly suggest you shop elsewhere, however I would also strongly suggest that you get the biggest screen your budget will stretch to as Logic is easier to use, the more you can see at once. In the studio I use a 20" and a 17" LCD together and still lust after a pair of 30" screens! Have fun! G

On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:18 AM, shrp_eye wrote: > they also suggested that Logic wouldnt work with a 12" screen - is > this correct, as I have a monitor at home i could link up to the mac > when i need more screen, or is logic not configured to work with the > 12"'s?? Both the 12" PowerBook and the 14" iBook have the same screen resolution, so they will both "show" the same screen area. It will simply be a little more "magnified" on the 14" iBook...but it won't get you any more tracks/staves/etc. on screen. However, the PowerBook allows your external monitor to be a "second" monitor in addition to the PowerBook screen whereas the iBook only allows the external monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. That alone is worth getting the PowerBook IMHO, plus the PowerBook has a slightly faster system bus and a line in, which I am not sure the iBook has. Take care Jesse Widener

> However, the PowerBook > allows your external monitor to be a "second" monitor in addition to > the PowerBook screen whereas the iBook only allows the external > monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. That alone is > worth getting the PowerBook IMHO, plus the PowerBook has a slightly > faster system bus and a line in, which I am not sure the iBook has. > > Take care > Jesse Widener I would say that dual screen functionality is NOT worth something like 60% of the price of an ibook, but what do I know ... I myself am thinking of the 12" ibook as a reasonable route into the world of Mac. Tony Perretta

> I would say that dual screen functionality is NOT worth something like 60% > of the price of an ibook, but what do I know ... I myself am thinking of > the > 12" ibook as a reasonable route into the world of Mac. I just purchased a 14" ibook, 1.3Ghz/60Gb/airport/etc for $1049 from the apple refurb site. It is great for small mixes and live recording. Brian

> whereas the iBook only allows the external > monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. The iBook video card is in fact fully capable of monitor spanning, but Apple disable this in firmware as a point of differentiation between the "consumer" iBook and "pro" Powerbook. There is however a very unsupported hack which enables monitor spanning on the iBook. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

On 30/11/04 10:55 pm, "John Pitcairn" <johnp@...> wrote: > The iBook video card is in fact fully capable of monitor spanning, but > Apple disable this in firmware as a point of differentiation between > the "consumer" iBook and "pro" Powerbook. There is however a very > unsupported hack which enables monitor spanning on the iBook. Obviously it is "at your own risk" but I used this hack the whole time I had an ibook without any problems. Resolutions etc were all selectable independently from the monitors control panel and it worked exactly like my powerbook does now. This was a g3 not a g4 though. Steve parker.

On Nov 30, 2004, at 1:50 PM, Tony Perretta wrote: >> However, the PowerBook >> allows your external monitor to be a "second" monitor in addition to >> the PowerBook screen whereas the iBook only allows the external >> monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. That alone is >> worth getting the PowerBook IMHO, plus the PowerBook has a slightly >> faster system bus and a line in, which I am not sure the iBook has. >> >> Take care >> Jesse Widener > > I would say that dual screen functionality is NOT worth something like > 60% > of the price of an ibook, but what do I know ... I myself am thinking > of the > 12" ibook as a reasonable route into the world of Mac. 60%? The iBook in question was the 14" combo for $1299 US. The 12" PowerBook combo is $1599 US. $300 difference; less than 25% for dual monitor, faster system bus, audio line in and more video memory. Not to mention a better feeling keyboard IMHO. Take care Jesse Widener

On Nov 30, 2004, at 2:55 PM, John Pitcairn wrote: >> whereas the iBook only allows the external >> monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. > > The iBook video card is in fact fully capable of monitor spanning, but > Apple disable this in firmware as a point of differentiation between > the "consumer" iBook and "pro" Powerbook. There is however a very > unsupported hack which enables monitor spanning on the iBook. Very unsupported being the operative phrase. There has also been mention of the hack damaging the iBook. I also don't know if the hack works with the latest and greatest iBooks. All in all though, would the supposed "professionals" of this list really want to mess around with / risk such a thing to save a few hundred dollars? The time you lose in work for the trouble would pay for the PowerBook. Take care Jesse Widener

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:35:53 +0000, steve parker <steveparker@...> wrote: > Obviously it is "at your own risk" but I used this hack the whole time I had > an ibook without any problems. > Resolutions etc were all selectable independently from the monitors control > panel and it worked exactly like my powerbook does now. > This was a g3 not a g4 though. I have used the screen spanning script with no problems on an iBook G4 1Ghz machine. It does "disappear" every time I do an OS upgrade, not surprisingly, but it's a simple matter to reinstall it. Haven't heard of any problems with iBooks being damaged (but I'd be interested to know!) YMMV with the new G4 so I'd check for reports (there is a forum on the download site if I recall correctly). I use Logic 6.3.1, do mostly virtual instruments, and depending on the instruments, I don't always have to freeze. I can happily get with ESXP24 half a dozen tracks - probably more - and still run effects (compressors, individual reverbs, even a Reaktor granular resynthesis effect). Running true soft synths is a different story - maybe only 3 or 4 of those before things start to bog down, depending on the synths. Have considered getting a 1.3Ghz iBook and passing this one on to my wife, but it's working so well for what I need to do at the moment, that I don't feel the need to upgrade. In the end it really depends on your context. If you are working professionally, then people are right to say that it's probably not worth scrimping a few 100 if it means risking running unsupported hacks. But, if Logic is more of a hobby activity and you're on a budget, then the iBook may well be an excellent choice. What I saved on not getting a 15" powerbook allowed me to get a good external firewire drive, pro-quality AKG cans, and an NT3 microphone. It's all a matter of balance. Re screen size, keyboard etc. I would strongly recommend some serious in-store evaluation - you've got to be comfortable with the machine.... good luck! Mark

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Perretta" <bambony@h...> wrote: > > However, the PowerBook > > allows your external monitor to be a "second" monitor in addition to > > the PowerBook screen whereas the iBook only allows the external > > monitor to show exactly what is on the iBook screen. That alone is > > worth getting the PowerBook IMHO, plus the PowerBook has a slightly > > faster system bus and a line in, which I am not sure the iBook has. > > > > Take care > > Jesse Widener > > I would say that dual screen functionality is NOT worth something like 60% > of the price of an ibook, but what do I know ... I myself am thinking of the > 12" ibook as a reasonable route into the world of Mac. > > Tony Perretta My iBook lets me either mirror the built-in LCD or use the external monitor as an extended desktop. It does so because I ran Screen Spanning Doctor. I don't know if it works with all iBooks, but Screen Spanning Doctor from http://macparts.de/ibook/ changed the nvRAM settings on my iBoook to get me the PowerBook-like Dual-Screen capability. My iBook is a 640MB 1GHz 14" iBoook G4. Note that the 14" screen is of significantly lower resolution than on a PowerBook. The 12" and 14" iBoook screens are both 1024x768, but the 14" has larger, fuzzier pixels than the 12". Don't forget that the iBook has no built-in audio input other than a built-in microphone (not a mic jack -- a mic is in the frame surrounding the screen). I'm just starting with LE7, but so far the 640MB 1GHz iBook G4 is working well with LE7.

On 1/12/04 12:01 am, "methinked@..." <methinked@...> wrote: > Very unsupported being the operative phrase. There has also been > mention of the hack damaging the iBook. I don't think that its a firmware hack. OS X knows what mac you're running and just doesn't switch on the extended desk bit. The hack does. Steve.