Hi, We need to reconfigure a couple of computers (both running Panther) because the boot drives have gotten too close to being full. Here is what I've thought of doing - I'd appreciate knowing about any potential "gotchas": The computers have: Logic Pro 7 Waves Platinum 5 Stylus RMX, Atmosphere, Trilogy Under VST2AU: Plex Xphraxe Groove Agent LM4 Dcota All Virtual Guitarists UAD-1 Powered Plugins Absynth 2 Kontakt Reaktor Pluggo Zebra There are a bunch of other music apps: Live 4 Reason 2.5 Sibelius Finale I have Vienna on an external 250GB FW800 drive, using EXS Manager to maintain links. The computers have: Drive 1) 120 GB partitioned 40/80 (40 is the boot partition) SATA drive Drove 2) 160 GB partitioned 60/100 I want to: 1) clone the 40 gig boot partition onto the 100 gig partition on drive 2 2) make an image of the 60 gb partition and store it on drive 2 3) Blow away the partitions on drive 1 and reformat as a single 120gb partition. 4) Clone the system that I cloned in step 1, back onto 120 gig drive 1 5) restore the image from step 2 onto drive 1. Hopefully this will give me a boot drive with lots of extra space on it. With respect to installs, and authorizations, how do you suggest I proceed? Thanks, Rob Yale -- Yale Music Composition, Production, Sound Design and Interactive Audio Tel 416-538-9253 Fax 416-538-3280 Cell 416-816-3616 Blackberry PIN 201209AA

> We need to reconfigure a couple of computers (both running Panther) > because > the boot drives have gotten too close to being full. Here is what I've > thought of doing - I'd appreciate knowing about any potential "gotchas": I just did something similar and had problems with permissions on CCC. Consider this when choosing your cloning software. Brian

>> We need to reconfigure a couple of computers (both running Panther) >> because the boot drives have gotten too close to being full. Here >> is what I've thought of doing - I'd appreciate knowing about any >> potential "gotchas": Quoth "Brian Mikiten" <bmikiten@...>On 11/2/04 11:44 PM: > I just did something similar and had problems with permissions on CCC. > Consider this when choosing your cloning software. What cloning software do you recommend? Rob -- Yale Music Composition, Production, Sound Design and Interactive Audio Tel 416-538-9253 Fax 416-538-3280 Cell 416-816-3616 Blackberry PIN 201209AA

Hi Rob > We need to reconfigure a couple of computers (both running > Panther) because the boot drives have gotten too close to > being full. Here is what I've thought of doing - I'd > appreciate knowing about any potential "gotchas": I would avoid using CCC - although it's a great application, it will screw up a lot of your software authorizations. I've tried a load of cloning applications to try and find one which takes a true disk image, and the best I've found is CopyCatX by Subrosasoft. It keeps all your software authorizations intact - assuming no hardware on your system they may be linked to has changed of course. They also do an application called VolumeWorks which enables you to resize partitions after they've been created without reformatting, plus a load of other disk orientated stuff. With those two applications you should be able to achieve what you need to. I use CopyCatX every few days to take a backup of my OS volume and restore it if I sense it's becoming corrupted, or things start misbehaving. Unlike other app's it copies the whole partition, not just the files on it, and somehow this makes for a more accurate image and protects all those secret files which govern authorizations. Hope this helps. Jules www.subrosasoft.com is the web address by the way

Rob Yale <rob@y...> wrote: > We need to reconfigure a couple of computers (both running Panther)because > the boot drives have gotten too close to being full. Here is what I've > thought of doing - I'd appreciate knowing about any potential "gotchas": I've just done a similar thing, but I first backed everything onto Firewire drives. I used the Panther restore utility with no problems, apart from one or two minor authorisation hiccups, (just re-entering the code in Snapz Pro, Altiverb was fine - no annoying send and response codes to wait days for) but some of the other answers have offered good advice about other software. One "gotcha" that got me was that a clone may not boot (on Firewire) unless the target drive has been freshly erased with zeros. Takes time but until I realised this I'd already chucked what was probably a perfectly good drive. Although OS X is not suppposed to need defragging, this is an ideal time to reformat anyway. Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk

> I would avoid using CCC - although it's a great application, it will > screw > up a lot of your software authorizations. I've never, never once, had this happen with CCC, under Jaguar or Panther. My cloned backup system disk boots and all applications run, no problems. What happened in your case? Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 7.0.0 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.4 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4

> >> I would avoid using CCC - although it's a great application, it will >> screw >> up a lot of your software authorizations. > > I've never, never once, had this happen with CCC, under Jaguar or > Panther. My cloned backup system disk boots and all applications run, > no problems. What happened in your case? I'm quite honestly not sure. The drive copy that I made did not boot properly and based on what I found on different mac lists, it was a permissions problem. They do warn you to run the disk check several times before cloning to make sure that the drive is free of problems. I did so but still had the issue. I took a second drive (FW) and it cloned properly without a problem. I'm just glad I made two copies. I, too, have used this package in the past without a problem but in this case, the copy just wouldn't boot. Brian

> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Pylant [mailto:bappo@...] > > I would avoid using CCC - although it's a great > application, it will > > screw up a lot of your software authorizations. > > I've never, never once, had this happen with CCC, under > Jaguar or Panther. My cloned backup system disk boots and all > applications run, no problems. What happened in your case? Hi Brian I can assure you, CCC will screw up any Native Instruments authorizations (I have lots of them) and I'm pretty sure it also affects Spectrasonics authorizations, possibly Waves and some others. I've been using CopyCatX for a good few months now so I don't recall the complete list from last time I tried with CCC. Perhaps Sonalksis, Elemental auth's (just guessing now) - there were certainly a few others. CCC is great for almost everything, but I can assure you there are authorizations it will reset or remove. No argument intended, but I promise I'm not making this up. Jules

> >> I would avoid using CCC - although it's a great application, it will > >> screw > >> up a lot of your software authorizations. > > > > I've never, never once, had this happen with CCC, under Jaguar or > > Panther. My cloned backup system disk boots and all applications run, > > no problems. What happened in your case? > > I'm quite honestly not sure. The drive copy that I made did not boot > properly and based on what I found on different mac lists, it was a > permissions problem. They do warn you to run the disk check several times > before cloning to make sure that the drive is free of problems. I did so but > still had the issue. I took a second drive (FW) and it cloned properly > without a problem. I'm just glad I made two copies. I, too, have used this > package in the past without a problem but in this case, the copy just > wouldn't boot. See my other reply Not booting on Firewire is very often due to not having erased the disk with zeros, this is documented somewhere on the CCC site or FAQs. It's a pain if you already several partitions, but that seems to be the situation. Also recommnded is to repair permissions with Disk Utility, not CCC. Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk

> Not booting on Firewire is very often due to not having erased the > disk with zeros, this is documented somewhere on the CCC site or FAQs. > > It's a pain if you already several partitions, but that seems to be > the situation. > > Also recommnded is to repair permissions with Disk Utility, not CCC. > > Pete Thomas > www.petethomas.co.uk (2 different computers - my experience) 1st use of CCC from a 20 gig to 100 gig no problems worked PERFECT 2nd use of CCC from 80 gig to 250 gig - so far the only thing that didn't work is band in a box 12 osx - i reinstalled - and masterwriter - i have to call for re-auth. Otherwise - wavearts, fm7, psp, zebra, ca5000 and ALL other plugs work FINE and are authorized! -best mike

> I can assure you, CCC will screw up any Native Instruments > authorizations (I > have lots of them) and I'm pretty sure it also affects Spectrasonics > authorizations, possibly Waves and some others. Again, that has nothing to do with the permissions, though, but something specific to the copy protection. And is reauthorizing that big of a deal? (I don't mean that sarcastically, either - I own none of those plugs.) Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 7.0.0 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.4 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4

On 03/11/2004, at 2:59 PM, Rob Yale wrote: > All Virtual Guitarists I'd be very interested to find out what they all are Rob. Would you mind giving us a full list? Are there any you'd recommend as a "Hendrix" plug-in? Andris

Quoth "Jules Bromley" <jules@...>On 11/3/04 2:52 AM: > > > Hi Rob > >> We need to reconfigure a couple of computers (both running >> Panther) because the boot drives have gotten too close to >> being full. Here is what I've thought of doing - I'd >> appreciate knowing about any potential "gotchas": > > I would avoid using CCC - although it's a great application, it will screw > up a lot of your software authorizations. I've tried a load of cloning > applications to try and find one which takes a true disk image, and the best > I've found is CopyCatX by Subrosasoft. It keeps all your software > authorizations intact - assuming no hardware on your system they may be > linked to has changed of course. They also do an application called > VolumeWorks which enables you to resize partitions after they've been > created without reformatting, plus a load of other disk orientated stuff. > > With those two applications you should be able to achieve what you need to. > I use CopyCatX every few days to take a backup of my OS volume and restore > it if I sense it's becoming corrupted, or things start misbehaving. Unlike > other app's it copies the whole partition, not just the files on it, and > somehow this makes for a more accurate image and protects all those secret > files which govern authorizations. > > Hope this helps. > > Jules > > www.subrosasoft.com is the web address by the way Hi Jules, I checked out their offerings, and I feel that a combination of their volume tools and their cloning tool are just what I needed. Thanks to everyone else on this thread who weighed in with their excellent opinions! Best, Rob Yale -- Yale Music Composition, Production, Sound Design and Interactive Audio Tel 416-538-9253 Fax 416-538-3280 Cell 416-816-3616 Blackberry PIN 201209AA

>> Hi Rob Hope this helps. >> >> Jules >> >> www.subrosasoft.com is the web address by the way > > Hi Jules, > > I checked out their offerings, and I feel that a combination of their > volume tools and their cloning tool are just what I needed. > Please be aware that subrosoft VolumeWorks will not work if you need the drive or the partition for anything in OS9. It's great for OSX only though. Michael Telle

Quoth "Michael Telle" <telle@...>On 11/4/04 2:05 PM: >>> Hi Rob Hope this helps. >>> >>> Jules >>> >>> www.subrosasoft.com is the web address by the way >> >> Hi Jules, >> >> I checked out their offerings, and I feel that a combination of their >> volume tools and their cloning tool are just what I needed. >> > > Please be aware that subrosoft VolumeWorks will not work if you need > the drive or the partition for anything in OS9. It's great for OSX only > though. > > Michael Telle > Yes, thanks, I saw that. But I'll be glad if I never see OS9 or Classic again for the rest of my life! What is the best way to completely expunge and cauterize Classic off my system? Thanks, Rob -- Yale Music Composition, Production, Sound Design and Interactive Audio Tel 416-538-9253 Fax 416-538-3280 Cell 416-816-3616 Blackberry PIN 201209AA

On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Michael Telle wrote: > Please be aware that subrosoft VolumeWorks will not work if you need > the drive or the partition for anything in OS9. It's great for OSX only > though. Has anyone actually tried CopyCatX? Does it work well? Does it, in fact, retain authorizations? Has anyone compared it to Retrospect? Thanks, Stefan Garr

> -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Garr [mailto:stefangarr@...] > Has anyone actually tried CopyCatX? Does it work well? Does > it, in fact, retain authorizations? > Has anyone compared it to Retrospect? Stefan - I posted with the original CopyCatX suggestion and made it clear I had tried it, bought it, use it regularly, and that it works fine and retains authorizations, as it creates an actual image of the drive or volume, instead of just copying files. Hope this helps. Jules

Quoth "Andris Sice" <hasice@...>On 11/3/04 5:23 PM: > > > On 03/11/2004, at 2:59 PM, Rob Yale wrote: > >> All Virtual Guitarists > > I'd be very interested to find out what they all are Rob. Would you > mind giving us a full list? Are there any you'd recommend as a > "Hendrix" plug-in? > > Andris Hi, A "Hendrix" plugin? If only! The virtual guitarists are: Virtual Accoustic Guitarist Virtual Electric Guitarist Virtual Guitarist: Electric Edition Rob -- Yale Music Composition, Production, Sound Design and Interactive Audio Tel 416-538-9253 Fax 416-538-3280 Cell 416-816-3616 Blackberry PIN 201209AA