Hi, I went to the circular-logic site and looked at the blurb about *InTime*; nice site, and convincing...except, I thought Logic would already do this. Here's what I mean: Suppose I record an acoustic guitar track into Logic, with some integral tempo changes. Nothing dramatic - just a little speedup or slowdown, as part of the emotional feel of the music. Now, can't I take a MIDI guitar and play along with that, and record notes wherever I like? Won't the notes be placed exactly where I play them - so that if I'm listening carefully and in sync with the acoustic original, the notes will land right beside the acoustic notes? The InTime site's explanation implies that the MIDI notes will only be placed snapped to a set tempo in Logic, and this won't line up with the audio original. Is this true? If so, I guess I'm going to be a circular-logic customer..... ;-) steven rowat

On Nov 3, 2004, at 02:05, steven_rowat@... wrote: > Suppose I record an acoustic guitar track into Logic, with some > integral > tempo changes. Nothing dramatic - just a little speedup or slowdown, as > part of the emotional feel of the music. > > Now, can't I take a MIDI guitar and play along with that, and record > notes > wherever I like? Won't the notes be placed exactly where I play them - > so > that if I'm listening carefully and in sync with the acoustic > original, the > notes will land right beside the acoustic notes? > > The InTime site's explanation implies that the MIDI notes will only be > placed snapped to a set tempo in Logic, and this won't line up with the > audio original. > > Is this true? No, there is a misunderstanding. Of course you can play how you want and other players can add their tracks without any tempo information in Logic, midi and audio. Then you simply do not use the tempo functions and there is no problem at all. But if you later want to add virtual instruments via the score or drum loops it is much easier to have the played notes within a measurement system. Otherwise your melodies and phrases don't have any relation to the bars you see in the score. Peter Ostry

> On Nov 3, 2004, at 02:05, steven_rowat@... wrote: > >> Suppose I record an acoustic guitar track into Logic, with some >> integral >> tempo changes. Nothing dramatic - just a little speedup or slowdown, >> as >> part of the emotional feel of the music. >> >> Now, can't I take a MIDI guitar and play along with that, and record >> notes >> wherever I like? Won't the notes be placed exactly where I play them - >> so >> that if I'm listening carefully and in sync with the acoustic >> original, the >> notes will land right beside the acoustic notes? >> > On Nov 3, 2004, at 5:43, Peter Ostry wrote: > No, there is a misunderstanding. 8< 8< 8< 8< ... But if you later > want to add virtual > instruments via the score or drum loops it is much easier to have the > played notes within a measurement system. What I usually do in this situation is to write in the tempi by ear/hand into Logic's tempo list. This gives me better result than using the reclock function. To do this you simply create some "click" on a midi/AI track and listen. Whenever the guitar is speeding, related to the click, increase tempo a bit, in the tempo list. If the guitar is slowing down, simply put a slightly lower tempo at that bar in the tempo list. For a three to five minutes audio recording it usually takes me twenty minutes to line up the midi grid by this method. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen

On 03 Nov 2004, at 07:57, Per Boysen wrote: > What I usually do in this situation is to write in the tempi by > ear/hand into Logic's tempo list. This gives me better result than > using the reclock function. To do this you simply create some "click" > on a midi/AI track and listen. Whenever the guitar is speeding, related > to the click, increase tempo a bit, in the tempo list. If the guitar is > slowing down, simply put a slightly lower tempo at that bar in the > tempo list. For a three to five minutes audio recording it usually > takes me twenty minutes to line up the midi grid by this method. There is now, in Logic 7, a faster, more visual method. Check out the instructions for Global Tracks -

On 03 Nov 2004, at 12:56, stephband wrote: > There is now, in Logic 7, a faster, more visual method. Check out the > instructions for Global Tracks - Sorry, I accidentally hit send before I finished this missive. As I was saying... Global Tracks - Beat Mapping gives you an instant visual reference for quickly adjusting the tempo to pre-recorded MIDI or audio. Stephen.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, steven_rowat@s... wrote: > > Hi, > > I went to the circular-logic site and looked at the blurb about *InTime*; > nice site, and convincing...except, I thought Logic would already do this. > > Here's what I mean: > Suppose I record an acoustic guitar track into Logic, with some integral > tempo changes. Nothing dramatic - just a little speedup or slowdown, as > part of the emotional feel of the music. > > Now, can't I take a MIDI guitar and play along with that, and record notes > wherever I like? Won't the notes be placed exactly where I play them - so > that if I'm listening carefully and in sync with the acoustic original, the > notes will land right beside the acoustic notes? > > The InTime site's explanation implies that the MIDI notes will only be > placed snapped to a set tempo in Logic, and this won't line up with the > audio original. > > Is this true? No, they would only snap to a grid if you quantised them. However Logic's reclock function works very nicely to allow you to alter the grid to fit the playing. It does this by inserting tempo events at whatever intervals you define by tapping or programming a guide track. Very cool feature. Once reclocked, you can then quantise to the "human feel" track you played in. Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk

On Nov 3, 2004, at 14:14, Pete Thomas wrote: > ...However > Logic's reclock function works very nicely to allow you to alter the > grid to fit the playing. It does this by inserting tempo events at > whatever intervals you define by tapping... Second time I read this here. Amazing... Do you guys really manage to tap correctly after recording a track? I am not a keyboarder and everything else but a drummer. I am never in time when I tap along a piece I played five minutes before on the guitar. Maybe it is the difference between feeling while playing and hearing and/or the completely different movements. For me software like inTime would be a fortune. It has at least sort of continuity... Peter Ostry

> On 03 Nov 2004, at 07:57, Per Boysen wrote: >> What I usually do in this situation is to write in the tempi by >> ear/hand into Logic's tempo list. This gives me better result than >> using the reclock function. To do this you simply create some "click" >> on a midi/AI track and listen. Whenever the guitar is speeding, >> related >> to the click, increase tempo a bit, in the tempo list. If the guitar >> is >> slowing down, simply put a slightly lower tempo at that bar in the >> tempo list. For a three to five minutes audio recording it usually >> takes me twenty minutes to line up the midi grid by this method. On Nov 3, 2004, at 13:53, stephband wrote: > There is now, in Logic 7, a faster, more visual method. Check out the > instructions for Global Tracks - Cool! My Logic 7 arrived just yesterday but myself I'll be in a different city until Saturday ;-) -Will check out Global Tracks and many other things asap. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen