I tried the pitch correction plugin for the first time and haven't used such a tool yet. It sounds good to me, for vocals an even for a bass if one likes to have the bass sound a bit "narrower". Can anyone give a short comparison to other tools like Autotune? Is there something we should be aware of in certain situations? Peter Ostry

On 2/11/04 12:38 pm, "Peter Ostry" <po@...> wrote: > I tried the pitch correction plugin for the first time and haven't used > such a tool yet. It sounds good to me, for vocals an even for a bass if > one likes to have the bass sound a bit "narrower". > > Can anyone give a short comparison to other tools like Autotune? Is > there something we should be aware of in certain situations? > > > Peter Ostry The actual correction sounds "ok" compared to Autotune but I like to automate my correction on and off to suit the vocal (nice to be a little out sometimes) and the L7 glitches horribly when it cuts in and out due to the delay compensation switching in and out. Autotune doesn't do this so I'll be sticking with it for now! G

Gareth Henderson wrote. >The actual correction sounds "ok" compared to Autotune but I like to > automate my correction on and off to suit the vocal (nice to be a little out > sometimes) and the L7 glitches horribly when it cuts in and out due to the > delay compensation switching in and out. A workaround could be, instead of automating the plugin, running the pitch correction on a separate track and fade/mute in and out with the non processed track. That would eliminate the delay compensation problem and probably save you the cost of Autotune. Henrik Krogh

Sorry to go over old ground. I know I've seen posts about this issue but as I didn't have Logic 7 at the time I ignored them. I installed Logic Pro 7 yesterday and have had it crash on me 4 times so far today, always when grabbing scroll bars in various windows. Twice I had no plugin GUI's on screen, twice I did. Is this an acknowledged issue and is there a workaround which has been confirmed to work? Thanks for any help. Jules G5 2x2GHz, LP7, OS 10.3.5, 5GB Ram

> > > On 2/11/04 12:38 pm, "Peter Ostry" <po@...> wrote: > >> I tried the pitch correction plugin for the first time and haven't used >> such a tool yet. It sounds good to me, for vocals an even for a bass if >> one likes to have the bass sound a bit "narrower". >> >> Can anyone give a short comparison to other tools like Autotune? Is >> there something we should be aware of in certain situations? >> >> >> Peter Ostry > > The actual correction sounds "ok" compared to Autotune but I like to > automate my correction on and off to suit the vocal (nice to be a little out > sometimes) and the L7 glitches horribly when it cuts in and out due to the > delay compensation switching in and out. Autotune doesn't do this so I'll be > sticking with it for now! > G Actually, you could easily make a copy of the questionable track (regions) and crossfade back and forth between the Logic plug corrected one and the original, avoiding the bypass glitches. For that matter, You could also send the track to two different busses, one with the pitch correction, one without and select or crossfade between one or the other as you go using automation. James

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Jules Bromley" <jules@t...> wrote: > > Sorry to go over old ground. I know I've seen posts about this issue but as > I didn't have Logic 7 at the time I ignored them. > > I installed Logic Pro 7 yesterday and have had it crash on me 4 times so far > today, always when grabbing scroll bars in various windows. Twice I had no > plugin GUI's on screen, twice I did. Is this an acknowledged issue and is > there a workaround which has been confirmed to work? > > Thanks for any help. > > Jules > > G5 2x2GHz, LP7, OS 10.3.5, 5GB Ram Hi Jules, I just went through this yesterday, so I may not have the total picture, but it seems to be related to Waves. Despite downloading the Waveshell AU update before installing Logic, I can reliably crash LP7 by opening a Waves plug-in and touching a scroll bar, and Logic seems pretty stable if I leave the Waves plugs out. Since I mostly use L1 to sparkle up a finished piece, my workaround (until Waves does something about their Waveshell) is to get the piece the way I want it, insert the L1 and press 'play.' After recording my final mix, I remove the L1 and save. I saw a discussion about disabling Quartz Extreme to fix this, but check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/message/176526 I don't know if anyone knows for sure. Sonny Keyes SKa Music Toronto www.skamusic.ca

Hi Sonny - thanks for the help > I just went through this yesterday, so I may not have the > total picture, but it seems to be related to Waves. Despite > downloading the Waveshell AU update before installing Logic, > I can reliably crash LP7 by opening a Waves plug-in and > touching a scroll bar, and Logic seems pretty stable if I > leave the Waves plugs out. Since I mostly use L1 to sparkle > up a finished piece, my workaround (until Waves does > something about their Waveshell) is to get the piece the way > I want it, insert the L1 and press 'play.' After recording my > final mix, I remove the L1 and save. I have the latest Waveshell beta as well, but I have no Waves plugins in these projects at all. Also, Logic is crashing with no plugin GUI's on screen at all, so my impression is that it's a Logic issue, not a plugin problem, but I can't be totally sure. I'll check the Quartz extreme thread, but that looks like a different issue to me. I never had this issue or anything like it with Logic 6.4.2. Thanks again Jules

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Jules Bromley" <jules@t...> wrote: > > I have the latest Waveshell beta as well, but I have no Waves plugins in > these projects at all. Also, Logic is crashing with no plugin GUI's on > screen at all, so my impression is that it's a Logic issue, not a plugin > problem, but I can't be totally sure. > > Jules I don't think you need to actually have the GUI showing for Logic to be destabilized by the plug-ins, (I crashed when L1 was in the song, althought not onscreen) and I'm reasonably certain that, although Waves is the plug that does my system in, there are likely other ones out there that do the same. Maybe you have one or two I don't have that crash on scrolling. I'm sure I've read here that LP7 is stable as long as you have no third-party plug-ins. Whoopee. Finger-pointing time again! Sonny Keyes SKa Music Toronto www.skamusic.ca

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sonny Keyes" <sonnykeyes@s...> wrote: > I don't think you need to actually have the GUI showing for Logic > to be destabilized by the plug-ins, (I crashed when L1 was in the > song, althought not onscreen) and I'm reasonably certain that, > although Waves is the plug that does my system in, there are > likely other ones out there that do the same. Maybe you have one > or two I don't have that crash on scrolling. > I'm sure I've read here that LP7 is stable as long as you have no > third-party plug-ins. Whoopee. Finger-pointing time again! Sonny I have been following this thread from the start, having isolated the scroll bar as the culprit a while back. Here are some of the main issues. There is supposition that it is a problem with the AUs coding, but I had a lot of plugs disabled and it happened still.(I don't even use waves anymore and it happens...also in pHATmatik pro, Reaktor, i- Drum and Stylus) While there is no conclusive proof that it is a Logic problem, based on a response from Glenn Olander on the Spectrasonics forum, both Gareth and I are pretty sure it is in fact a Logic problem. Michael Haydn is aware of the problem and while not an official company stance, has advised avoiding entering text in Au windows (not sure why). The Quartz disabler doesn't seem to have any direct bearing on the issue. Until the problem is solved my best advice is to navigate using key commands and/or the scroll wheel on the mouse. I have been doing that for 2 weeks now and haven't had a single crash.

> From: Sonny Keyes [mailto:sonnykeyes@...] > I'm sure I've read here that LP7 is stable as long as you > have no third-party plug-ins. > Whoopee. Finger-pointing time again! LOL :-)) I'm pretty sure I also read it was stable as long as you kept it in the box and didn't place it on or near any computers!! (just kidding) Actually aside from these scroll bar crashes, Logic 7 has been pretty impressive so far. Screen redraws are snappier, scrolling (when it doesn't crash!) is snappier, menus, lots of graphics stuff all seems very tight. Even Hyperedit line tool works now - I'm off to celebrate! ... oh and without wanting to restart a war, I actually quite like the GUI now I've got used to it. Jules

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "fictionmusic2000" <david@f...> wrote: > I have been following this thread from the start, having isolated > the scroll bar as the culprit a while back. Here are some of the > main issues. <snip> > While there is no conclusive proof that it is a Logic problem, based > on a response from Glenn Olander on the Spectrasonics forum, both > Gareth and I are pretty sure it is in fact a Logic problem. > Michael Haydn is aware of the problem and while not an official > company stance, has advised avoiding entering text in Au windows > (not sure why). <snip> > Until the problem is solved my best advice is to navigate using key > commands and/or the scroll wheel on the mouse. I have been doing > that for 2 weeks now and haven't had a single crash. Many thanks, David. I've been able to make it work well enough using pretty much those techniques, but it's good to know that there is some sort of Apple acknowledgement, however unofficial. Sonny Keyes SKa Music Toronto www.skamusic.ca

> I have been following this thread from the start, having > isolated the scroll bar as the culprit a while back. Here are > some of the main issues. > There is supposition that it is a problem with the AUs > coding, but I had a lot of plugs disabled and it happened > still.(I don't even use waves anymore and it happens...also > in pHATmatik pro, Reaktor, i- Drum and Stylus) > > While there is no conclusive proof that it is a Logic > problem, based on a response from Glenn Olander on the > Spectrasonics forum, both Gareth and I are pretty sure it is > in fact a Logic problem. > > Until the problem is solved my best advice is to navigate > using key commands and/or the scroll wheel on the mouse. I > have been doing that for 2 weeks now and haven't had a single crash. Thanks for the info. Is there a way to scroll horizontally in the environment and matrix editor without using the scroll bars? Presumably the mousewheel won't work in this context. I have to say, it seems pretty crazy that we have to avoid the scroll bars to keep the application from crashing, but perhaps we'll see a fix. It'd be nice to know one way or another if it's Logic or plugins causing the problem, although I have had Phatmatik and Stylus RMX running, so perhaps there's some continuity emerging. Perhaps Emagic can implement a telepathic scroll capability, so we can avoid the problem altogether!!

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Jules Bromley" <jules@t...> wrote: > Actually aside from these scroll bar crashes, Logic 7 has been pretty > impressive so far. Screen redraws are snappier, scrolling (when it doesn't > crash!) is snappier, menus, lots of graphics stuff all seems very tight. > Even Hyperedit line tool works now - I'm off to celebrate! > > ... oh and without wanting to restart a war, I actually quite like the GUI > now I've got used to it. > > Jules I completely agree with all of the above. Lots to be happy about, and we all know 7.01 and 7.02 will be just around the corner with many of our minor frustrations addressed. Sonny

> Gareth Henderson wrote. > >The actual correction sounds "ok" compared to > Autotune but I like to > > automate my correction on and off to suit the > vocal (nice to be a little out > > sometimes) and the L7 glitches horribly when it > cuts in and out due to the > > delay compensation switching in and out. > --- HKC <hkc@...> wrote: > A workaround could be, instead of automating the > plugin, running the pitch > correction on a separate track and fade/mute in and > out with the non > processed track. That would eliminate the delay > compensation problem and > probably save you the cost of Autotune. > > Henrik Krogh> Is there a way to automate the mutes? If not, would using track automation be the best way to do this? Or are there any other suggestions? Thanks as always, JP

On Nov 2, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Sonny Keyes wrote: > Hi Jules, > > I just went through this yesterday, so I may not have the total picture, but it seems to be > related to Waves. Despite downloading the Waveshell AU update before installing Logic, I > can reliably crash LP7 by opening a Waves plug-in and touching a scroll bar, and Logic > seems pretty stable if I leave the Waves plugs out. Since I mostly use L1 to sparkle up a > finished piece, my workaround (until Waves does something about their Waveshell) is to > get the piece the way I want it, insert the L1 and press 'play.' After recording my final mix, > I remove the L1 and save. > > I saw a discussion about disabling Quartz Extreme to fix this, but check out: > Hi I also have a G5 2x2. I had to use the Quartz Extreme disabling solution. However, I just updated recently to 10.3.6. Although the details of what it fixed were minimal, it did mention graphics card driver fixes. So, after updating I re-enabled Quartz Extreme to give it a go. Good News! I haven't had any further problems with freezing. I should clarify that I don't have Waves, and have never had the Waves freeze, but this may be related. Stefan