> > Ivory by Synthology.  It just came out last week (in Canada). > > Did anyone already test it? The demos sound rather good. > Any problems when running inside Logic? > > What about a group buy? > HEAR! HEAR!!! -Marshall

>> What about a group buy? >> > > HEAR! HEAR!!! What a great idea. Count me in. Andris

>>> What about a group buy? >>> >> >> HEAR! HEAR!!! > > What a great idea. Count me in. > Yes! Me too! Matthew

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Johnson <musical.matthew@m...> wrote: > > >>> What about a group buy? It's nice, though I prefer the sound of the Old Lady. The sound of it is less 'concert-like', it can be used in a more general way. So I would join a group buy of The Old Lady. Have a look: http://www.postpiano.com/products/prod_subCategory.php% 3fsubCat=OLD+LADY Rob

> --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Johnson > <musical.matthew@m...> wrote: >> >>>>> What about a group buy? > > It's nice, though I prefer the sound of the Old Lady. > The sound of it is less 'concert-like', it can be used in a more > general way. > So I would join a group buy of The Old Lady. > > Have a look: > > http://www.postpiano.com/products/prod_subCategory.php% > 3fsubCat=OLD+LADY > > Rob I was going to stay out of this, but now I'm jumping in. I have the Old Lady, and I think it may be the best sounding sim piano I've heard to date. I don't particularly like Ivory. I want to like it because it is so feature rich, but I keep going back to the demos and then playing some of the passages from the Ivory demo on the Old Lady to compare sound, and I find Ivory just a little to bright, brittle and slightly thin. Probably great for pop and rock tracks, but not so great for soundtrack and classical scoring. I have a 1918 Steinway "O" so I'm a bit of a Steinway snob, but I feel no compromise when I use the Old Lady. As I said before, I also like the White Grand for the pop and harder edged stuff, but I must say, Ivory isn't doing it for me. There may be ways within the software to warm it up and bring in some farther away miked ambience, but I don't hear it on the demos. Also, though the feature set is zip with the Old Lady, one piano, one sound, the one sound is great and I believe it is less than half the price of Ivory. Both White Grand and Old Lady are EXS instruments so the processor drain is minimal. Ilio makes some incredible stuff, and Ivory has a pretty cool interface and some very innovative ideas, but I'm just not a fan of the sound, at least not yet! James

James Ryan <jeryan@...> writes: >I find Ivory just a little to bright, brittle and slightly thin. >Probably great for pop and rock tracks, but not so great >for soundtrack and classical scoring. Wow. I can't figure how somebody came to this conclusion. Maybe you need to bypass the BitCrusher plugin? But seriously, everybody has their own set of ears and perceptions and opinions so I'd recommend actually hearing the actual plugin through your own system or one at the store (not a downloaded mp3) before coming to a conclusion. An mp3 will destroy almost everything about Ivory that sets it apart from "normal" piano samples. And if you can't hear the difference between an mp3 and the original, then you won't appreciate something like Ivory so much. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

> And if you can't hear the difference between an mp3 and > the original, then you won't appreciate something like Ivory > so much. > they all sounded pretty good to me within the frame of an online Mp3 it seemed that ivory and postpiano where deeper than the sampletekk offerings for whatever reason I rarely prefer the bosendorfer, I definitely liked the old lady the best but the ivory steinway had more... string interaction or something that gave it a quality that may be more appealing to many, I would be happy with it fer sure my pick was the old lady, it just needs a better name hehe sd

f-erenc szabo wrote: everybody has their own set of ears and perceptions and opinions Agreed, I find this thread a little absurd, to me all the demos sound fine, it´s just a matter of taste. Obviously if you record a real piano many things will influence the sound. The piano itself certainly is important but the room, the mics, the pre-amps, bit-depth.....also has a lot to say. Many times when the sound of a sampled piano is evaluated, it is compared to actually sitting at a piano playing it and not the sound of that same piano recorded which are two very different things. The only fair way to judge a sampled one is to compare it with that same piano recorded with identic setups and I´m pretty sure that most of the modern 2GB pianos will pass that test just fine. Now which guitar is the most realistic, a Fender or a Gibson, that´s what I want to know. Henrik Krogh

> > James Ryan <jeryan@...> writes: >> I find Ivory just a little to bright, brittle and slightly thin. >> Probably great for pop and rock tracks, but not so great >> for soundtrack and classical scoring. > > Wow. I can't figure how somebody came to this conclusion. > Maybe you need to bypass the BitCrusher plugin? > You're right, MP3s may not be the best way to hear these things, but that's what we have. That being said, all the demos were MP3s so its a level playing field, and IMHO I think the others sounded better for what I do. Just an opinion. That's why I included four links and said compare for yourself. Also, for the record, the MP3 of the Old Lady does sound very close to my EXS version. There was not a significant enough difference to make me say, "Oh, this real playing version sounds so much better than the MP3." Also true with the White Grand that I bought - slightly different, but not enough to make the choice impossible. With an MP3 you can hear compression, miking distance, intonation, phase and many other things that make up a sound. No, you won't hear 20k. It isn't a 96k AIFF, but in the absence of having all of them installed on your computer for comparison, its kind of the only practical way to make the call. Remember, I said I have a real 1918 incredible sounding Steinway and that is my ultimate standard of comparison. By that standard the Grandioso and the Old Lady fared better than Ivory. If anyone wants to toss me a copy of Ivory to audition in my studio, I'd be happy to revisit my (somewhat unpopular) opinion! Before anyone else gets their nose too bent out of shape here, remember, this is a somewhat subjective area. If you're doing hard edged pop music, you won't want a piano sim that is miked from ten feet away, and if your blending your sim with a large orchestra and trying to simulate a listening position of around the thirtieth row, you may not want a close miked, compressed, bright sim. Horses for courses. Bitcrusher, my #%$ :) James

> string interaction or something that gave it a quality > that may be more appealing to many, I would be happy with it fer sure > my pick was the old lady, it just needs a better name hehe My 2 cents is for the Presonus Steinway Grand piano. I converted it from an AKAI format to EXS, and after a couple of tweaks (comes in goofy) I got it sounding great. Then again thats just my opinion. The best piano is still the real thing... kinda hard to move around though. Ciao Gio

On 03/11/2004, at 7:24 AM, Gio wrote: > The best piano is still the real thing... kinda hard to move around > though. Harder to record too, especially if you don't have a $50k instrument sitting in an acoustically perfect room... Andris

> From: Andris Sice <hasice@...> > Reply-To: <logic-users@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:31:22 +1100 > To: <logic-users@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Most authentic Piano > > > > On 03/11/2004, at 7:24 AM, Gio wrote: > >> The best piano is still the real thing... kinda hard to move around >> though. > > Harder to record too, especially if you don't have a $50k instrument > sitting in an acoustically perfect room... > > Andris And don't forget the $ mikes and high quality signal path to the high quality recording medium. J