I received Logic 7 yesterday and instantly tried the Guitar Amp Pro... Many people wrote about it's outstanding sound. The clean presets are not bad but all distorted sounds give me an unacceptable high noise level, soft or hard, depending on the amp model. And I hear something like a noise gate with slow attack when I start playing. I do not see a parameter for noise. Did they really include the hissing of amps into the models and that loud? I can't believe it - is there something wrong? Peter Ostry

On Oct 28, 2004, at 9:43 PM, Peter Ostry wrote: > > > I received Logic 7 yesterday and instantly tried the Guitar Amp Pro... > Many people wrote about it's outstanding sound. The clean presets are > not bad but all distorted sounds give me an unacceptable high noise > level, soft or hard, depending on the amp model. And I hear something > like a noise gate with slow attack when I start playing. I do not see a > parameter for noise. Did they really include the hissing of amps into > the models and that loud? I can't believe it - is there something > wrong? > > I agree it is too noisy. I deal with it by getting my distortion from other units. I know that is not the way it should be...

>> I received Logic 7 yesterday and instantly tried the Guitar Amp Pro... >> Many people wrote about it's outstanding sound. The clean presets are >> not bad but all distorted sounds give me an unacceptable high noise >> level, soft or hard, depending on the amp model. And I hear something >> like a noise gate with slow attack when I start playing. I do not see >> a >> parameter for noise. Did they really include the hissing of amps into >> the models and that loud? I can't believe it - is there something >> wrong? Hi, I also find this plugin noisy, but I have to point that the quality of the hardware is important : I recently tried AmpliTube and GuitarRig using the internal audio interface of my PowerBook G4. The noise was high much higher than when I tried the same plugins using the m-audio FireWire 410, noise which is now acceptable, even in Guitar Amp Pro. You'll also note that GuitarRig makes a important use of noise gates. Cheers, Camille

It's very noisy. Very, very noisy. As a guitar player and admitted tube amp aficionado, I find Guitar Amp Pro to be more than suitable for compositional purposes, but I doubt that a GAP track would ever make it into a final mix of mine (unless I was going for an intentionally crappy sound). It's OK to get a quick track done before inspiration moves on, but IMO it's nowhere even close to other amp sims on the market (soft or hardware), and IMO none of those compare to mic'ing up a real amp. Just my .02, Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 7.0.0 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.4 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4

how does logic's amp sound when you run a sampler (or any other instrument for that mater) through it ??? -- Thanks Bigg John FREE Loops @ www.looplibrary.com

On Oct 29, 2004, at 15:04, Bigg John wrote: > how does logic's amp sound when you run a sampler (or any other > instrument for that mater) through it ??? Ugly. But no hiss. So my assumption that all the "fffft" is built in was wrong. Maybe the smallest noise from the input gets multiplied? I don't have a noiseless preamp to test it, I use line out or record out of two small guitar amps. One is rather noisy but the other one not and produces nearly the same amount of hiss. Peter Ostry

Has anybody tried feeding GAPro straight from a D.I. box? That cured most of the noise problems I was having when trying out Amplitube. Allready amplified (I mean, apart from a bit of gain enhancement) signals seemed to cause way more hiss. - Sascha

On Oct 29, 2004, at 17:39, Sascha Franck wrote: > Has anybody tried feeding GAPro straight from a D.I. box? > That cured most of the noise problems I was having when trying out > Amplitube. Allready amplified (I mean, apart from a bit of gain > enhancement) > signals seemed to cause way more hiss. Yes, is much better. But now the "behind the curtain" sound is even more audible :) Maybe this can be cured with some sound processing but I think I put this handy little helper aside and use it just for quick sound search. Peter Ostry

On Oct 31, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Peter Ostry wrote: > > On Oct 29, 2004, at 17:39, Sascha Franck wrote: > >> Has anybody tried feeding GAPro straight from a D.I. box? > > Yes, is much better. But now the "behind the curtain" sound is even > more audible :) > Maybe this can be cured with some sound processing but I think I put > this handy little helper aside and use it just for quick sound search. > > Peter Ostry Peter, What does your signal chain include? I've tried using a H&K Red box, either through a Mackie board's mic pres, and also straight in balanced to my MOTU 2048 mkII, but that didn't really help with the noise problem. I'm guessing, as with real amps, a noise gate might be the answer, but I haven't found settings for Logic's noise suppressor that are satisfactory. Eric

On Nov 1, 2004, at 00:54, Eric Lee wrote: >>> Has anybody tried feeding GAPro straight from a D.I. box? >> >> Yes, is much better. But now the "behind the curtain" sound is even >> more audible :) >> Maybe this can be cured with some sound processing but I think I put >> this handy little helper aside and use it just for quick sound search. >> >> Peter Ostry > > What does your signal chain include? Very short signal chain. I simply plugged the guitar straight into the input of a Firewire 410 which claims to be compensated for pickup input. Didn't care about frequency correction but got a good levelled clean signal and far less noise in Guitar Amp Pro. > I've tried using a H&K Red box, either through a Mackie board's mic > pres, and also straight in balanced to my MOTU 2048 mkII, but that > didn't really help with the noise problem. I tried a rather good compressor as a frontend (Fat Man) but it is also unusable because of noise. The Firewire 410 alone works. I am surprised that going straight into the MOTU gives you much noise because interfaces alone usually add very little or no noise. Did you add much gain or do you have an active pickup on the guitar? > I'm guessing, as with real amps, a noise gate might be the answer, but > I haven't found settings for Logic's noise suppressor that are > satisfactory. No, this plugin can't do the job. And it looks like GAP sees any sound as very important. Unfortunately this is not right behavior - there are problems in the usual guitar/amp chain we do not like in reality (i.e. noise). They have to be suppressed but not taken as part of the model... Peter Ostry