On Oct 1, 2004, at 6:01 PM, "dan wool" <strobe_tallbot@...> wrote: > --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "peligromusic" <greg@p...> wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm new to this group. I am a logic TDM user, and I am thinking of >> going >> native. One of the only things I still use PT for is Beat Detective. >> Does >> anyone know if there is anything in Logic 7 that will doaudio region >> quantizing in that way? Or are there some techniques anyone could >> suggest? >> > > No, but check out DP 4.5. Looks like it has all the capability of Beat > Detective > and then some. Actually, I believe (although I'm not sure) that the Pro Tools Beat Detective does both audio quantizing and audio replacement; the DP version only does audio quantizing. That said, I could be wrong, and either way, I wish Logic had it! :) Orren -- http://www.mertonfolio.com Author of: • Logic_6_Power • GarageBand Ignite http://www.courseptr.com/ptr_catalog.cfm?group=Music%20Technology

On 2. loka 2004, at 04:29, Orren Merton wrote: > Actually, I believe (although I'm not sure) that the Pro Tools Beat > Detective does both audio quantizing and audio replacement; the DP > version only does audio quantizing. That said, I could be wrong, and > either way, I wish Logic had it! :) > > Orren OK I have no idea about how Beat Detetctive in PT works but doesn't the Apple Loops in Logic Pro 7 at least partially do a similar job ? Do correct me if I'w wrong here. Cheers Check out the web page for my band updated 9.4.2004 . New home address : http://jormapen.fidisk.fi

On Oct 2, 2004, at 1:21 AM, Jorma Pennanen wrote: > > > On 2. loka 2004, at 04:29, Orren Merton wrote: >> Actually, I believe (although I'm not sure) that the Pro Tools Beat >> Detective does both audio quantizing and audio replacement; the DP >> version only does audio quantizing. That said, I could be wrong, and >> either way, I wish Logic had it! :) >> >> Orren > > OK I have no idea about how Beat Detetctive in PT works but doesn't the > Apple Loops in Logic Pro 7 at least partially > do a similar job ? Do correct me if I'w wrong here. > Beat detective is way different. Apple loops are kind of like acid loops, Beat detective is a section of PT that finds the attack transient of a sound, makes virtual cuts of the take, and allows you to realign the data. Way more complex... George ________________________________________________________ www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Now both Mac OSX and Windows XP... the only way to fly ;-) Some cool Logic tips: http://www.courseptr.com/cooltips/

At 2:18 am -0700 2/10/04, George Leger III wrote: > > >Beat detective is way different. Apple loops are kind of like acid >loops, Beat detective is a section of PT that finds the attack >transient of a sound, makes virtual cuts of the take, and allows you to >realign the data. Way more complex... and way more useful for editing live drums! -- Best Regards, Gareth Jones http://www.garethjones.com

> >Beat detective is way different. Apple loops are kind of like acid > >loops, Beat detective is a section of PT that finds the attack > >transient of a sound, makes virtual cuts of the take, and allows you to > >realign the data. Way more complex... > > and way more useful for editing live drums! > > -- > Best Regards, > Gareth Jones > > http://www.garethjones.com and Cubase SX has had this for 'way' longer

> > >Beat detective is way different. Apple loops are kind of like acid > > >loops, Beat detective is a section of PT that finds the attack > > >transient of a sound, makes virtual cuts of the take, and allows you to > > >realign the data. Way more complex... > > > > and way more useful for editing live drums! > > and Cubase SX has had this for 'way' longer I use ReCycle. L6 and up support REX2 files so it's almost like they're integrated. Using a separate sequencer program to do this sort of work is overkill. It is definitely a feature Logic should have in addition to a refined sample editor.

>>>> Beat detective is way different. Apple loops are kind of like acid >>>> loops, Beat detective is a section of PT that finds the attack >>>> transient of a sound, makes virtual cuts of the take, and allows you to >>>> realign the data. Way more complex... >>> >>> and way more useful for editing live drums! >> >> and Cubase SX has had this for 'way' longer > > I use ReCycle. L6 and up support REX2 files so it's almost like > they're integrated. Using a separate sequencer program to do this sort > of work is overkill. > > It is definitely a feature Logic should have in addition to a refined > sample editor. > In looking at Apple Loops and ReCycle, both do the attack transient detection. With ReCycle, that gets translated into midi triggered audio chunks, whereas with Apple loops, it appears to be time and pitch stretch markers. Remember, Apple loops also work very well with pitch and follow your tempo and chord change markers. They transpose and time stretch simultaneously in real time. That is pretty a sophisticated process, and sounds very transparent. Try doing some chord and tempo changes with one of their stock loops. As for lining up or quantizing off beats in a live track, I don't believe you can do that with apple loops. Beat Detective would be better, and ReCycle works great for that. I've performed some pretty iffy live shaker parts and tambourine parts and repaired them very nicely with ReCycle. James