does ne1 know if there are any gate, envelope following filter, or vocoder dx/vst plugins that can be modulated in realtime by the output from another signal source. eg. a drum track gating a pad. also, i've been trying to setup tape feedback loops within logic to get fx similar to fripp, orb et al. this is how i'd do it with outboard (apologies for the crap ascii attempt): guitar --> mixer in --> fx send --> wah/filter --> spaceecho 100% wet --> mix out ^ | | V -------------------------------<--------------------------- i've tried doing this in law by setting an audio track to send some output to say, bus 1 through the fx send parameter. bus 1 has a filter plugin as an insert and has its output reassigned to bus 2. bus 2 has the tape delay plugin as an insert. now this is the tricky bit - i need to send some of bus 2's output back into bus 1's input but *also* to the main audio output... so i can hear it. but the fx busses don't let you send output to another bus - unless you redirect *all* of its output by assigning another bus as the output parameter... but then the audio never gets to the master. so, is there any way to send the bus audio output to more than one output ie. the master out *and* another bus's input? or a way to send to a bus as an insert on another bus? or just a plugin that emulates tape feedback loops?! cheers, fish -- fish@... futureshock productions tel: +44 (0)7932 621886 http://listen.to/djfish fax: +44 (0)7050 802805 http://www.subtone.co.uk fridays @ camouflage + femi fem (young disciples) saturdays @ slam with tim 'love' lee (tummytouch) daddy g & mushroom (massive attack), kojak (live) andy smith (portishead), digs & whoosh, mk2 (diy)