Hi, I've gotten to the point where I have a final mix bounced to a stereo file. Is there any way to transpose this to a close key? If the answer is no (I'm afraid it is), do I have to go all the way back to the MIDI files, transpose them and re-record them to audio? Is there any way to transpose the audio files? It's not always possible to know the singers range until you start to work with them, you know? I would appreciate any help. Thank you. Barbara

On 5-Sep-04, at 8:45 PM, Barbara Eder wrote: > I've gotten to the point where I have a final mix bounced to a stereo > file. Is there any way to transpose this to a close key? > > If the answer is no (I'm afraid it is), do I have to go all the way > back to the MIDI files, transpose them and re-record them to audio? Is > there any way to transpose the audio files? > > It's not always possible to know the singers range until you start to > work with them, you know? there is no way that won't sound terrible. you will have to go back to the MIDI stage and progress from there. If you did want to try transposing the file, keep in mind DSP based transposition of complex spectra is not intelligent, meaning it will know nothing about harmony, it just shift everything up by 2 steps for example. and it will make the timbre sound weird, so don't bother. -haven

"Barbara Eder" <vadanstar@b...> wrote: > I've gotten to the point where I have a final mix bounced to a stereo > file. Is there any way to transpose this to a close key? > > If the answer is no (I'm afraid it is), do I have to go all the way > back to the MIDI files, transpose them and re-record them to audio? Is > there any way to transpose the audio files? > > It's not always possible to know the singers range until you start to > work with them, you know? > > I would appreciate any help. Thank you. Hi Barbara, you could try PitchWorx DX at... http://www.delaydots.com/xproducts.html It's a DX plugin so it won't work on a Mac I'm afraid. I've used it in Soundforge on a PC and it works very well, but if you want to transpose a lot (more than 5 or 6 semitones), the track will start to sound strange. BTW, it's free..! Cheers, Andy M.

On Sep 6, 2004, at 12:34 AM, Andy M. wrote: > "Barbara Eder" <vadanstar@b...> wrote: > >> I've gotten to the point where I have a final mix bounced to a stereo >> file. Is there any way to transpose this to a close key? >> >> If the answer is no (I'm afraid it is), do I have to go all the way >> back to the MIDI files, transpose them and re-record them to audio? Is >> there any way to transpose the audio files? >> >> It's not always possible to know the singers range until you start to >> work with them, you know? >> >> I would appreciate any help. Thank you. > > Hi Barbara, you could try PitchWorx DX at... > > http://www.delaydots.com/xproducts.html > > It's a DX plugin so it won't work on a Mac I'm afraid. I've used it > in Soundforge on a PC and it works very well, but if you want to > transpose a lot (more than 5 or 6 semitones), the track will start to > sound strange. > > BTW, it's free..! > > Cheers, Andy M. Has anyone suggested Ableton Live? Download the demo and see what you can do with it. It might work. I've used it to speed up final mixes, and it works pretty darn good. The pitch shifting in it it very good. George ________________________________________________________ A Member of the Apple Consultants Network (ACN) www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Now both Mac OSX and Windows XP... the only way to fly ;-) Buy the new CSi Logic Pro Starter Training CD http://store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?muskalipman+MU3Us5+1592004784.html

If it's for a demo,I would suggest to use the "Time & Pitch Machine" in LA. I don't know if there is a professional way to transpose a full mix anyway! - So,first,make a copy of the Audio file you want to process. - Import this file in LA. - Double click on it (by default it should open the "Audio Window") - Go to menu "Factory",open "Time & Pitch Machine" - The transpose function works in cents (1/100) of semitone so, - If you want to transpose one full step below, write : "-200" You can even prelisten the result. So,good luck,but don't expect exactly the same quality than your 1st mix. Alain

> From: George Leger III <george3@...> > Has anyone suggested Ableton Live? Download the demo and see what you > can do with it. It might work. I've used it to speed up final mixes, > and it works pretty darn good. The pitch shifting in it it very good. > > George Just picked up on this string too, so forgive me if this has been mentioned, but Melodyne is awesome for transposing audio. James

At 11:27 Uhr -0400 06.09.2004, James Ryan wrote: >Just picked up on this string too, so forgive me if this has been mentioned, >but Melodyne is awesome for transposing audio. Monophonic though

>> Just picked up on this string too, so forgive me if this has been mentioned, >> but Melodyne is awesome for transposing audio. > > Monophonic though No, you can do it stereo - I've done it. It requires non-interleaved mono left and mono right files like ProTools. Set up the bridge on each channel, record both into Melodyne, and adjust each the same amount for pitch. In logic pan the two files left and right. -James

>> Monophonic though > > No, you can do it stereo - I've done it. Monophonic as opposed to polyphonic. Melodyne can't dissect a chord. Or can it ? Christian -- homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm

At 21:52 Uhr +0200 06.09.2004, <christianobermaier@...> wrote: > >> Monophonic though >> >> No, you can do it stereo - I've done it. > >Monophonic as opposed to polyphonic. Melodyne can't dissect a chord. Or can >it ? Not that I know of... that's why I wrote it, but apparently we need to also discuss music theory a little bit... :-( Cheers Hans

> >> Just picked up on this string too, so forgive me if this has been > >> mentioned, but Melodyne is awesome for transposing audio. > > > > Monophonic though --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, James Ryan <jeryan@o...> wrote: > No, you can do it stereo - I've done it. It requires non-interleaved > mono left and mono right files like ProTools. Set up the bridge on > each channel, record both into Melodyne, and adjust each the same > amount for pitch. In logic pan the two files left and right. > -James Thank you all for your thoughts and info. Ryan, it may be a moot point because I don't own Melodyne and it is a bit pricy… How do I do the above with a bounced mix? How do I bounce down to two mono files in Logic? What is the bridge you refer to? I take it that I'm going to have to go all the way back to the MIDI stage, transpose the files and re-recod audio. I'm looking into Melodyne though as an option for the future. What have you used it for? Thanks again. Barbara

> Thank you all for your thoughts and info. > Ryan, it may be a moot point because I don't own Melodyne and it is a > bit pricy. How do I do the above with a bounced mix? How do I bounce > down to two mono files in Logic? > What is the bridge you refer to? > I take it that I'm going to have to go all the way back to the MIDI > stage, transpose the files and re-recod audio. I'm looking into > Melodyne though as an option for the future. What have you used it > for? The easiest way to go about this is go to the website http://www.celemony.com and download the Melodyne demo. There's also a video demonstration using a fully produced song of audio only tracks which they transpose as you watch. James