>> From: Orren Merton <orren@...> >> On Sep 3, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Teddy Kumpel <kumpkin@...> wrote: >> >>> A line out, post power amp, how common is that? >> >> You must be kidding. Every amp I've owned has had a line >> out--Marshall, Fender, Rivera, THD, and so on. Sometimes it's called >> "Slave Out"--it's a line level post power amp output, > > Orren, actually that's a pre-amp out you're speaking of. > > Post pre amp, rather than post power amp. > > Howard that's what I was saying! why would you want to plug 20- 100 watts of power into your audio interface? Makes no sense at all. Teddy

Would you guitar guys say that the Mesa Recto recording Preamp + speaker emulating plug-in (or maybe PodXT can do speaker sim only) would be a safe bet for getting that recto sound without micing a cab? Or would I HAVE to mic a cab to get those deep thugs? Or any other preamp like the THD Univalve? I'm not a guitarist myself but I need to record some "real" guitar sound on a new project and I'd appreciate some input. I'm getting a bit tired of all these sims that just don't sound anywhere close to the way I want. Thanks /H

esp wrote: > Would you guitar guys say that the Mesa Recto recording Preamp + > speaker emulating plug-in (or maybe PodXT can do speaker sim only) > would be a safe bet for getting that recto sound without micing a cab? No. > Or would I HAVE to mic a cab to get those deep thugs? Yes. > Or any other > preamp like the THD Univalve? I'm not a guitarist myself but I need to > record some "real" guitar sound on a new project and I'd appreciate > some input. I'm getting a bit tired of all these sims that just don't > sound anywhere close to the way I want. As for now, you won't be able to get that "nu metal" sound (or whatever you're referring to as the "Recto" sound) from any amp/speaker simulation. Especially the deep "thugs" IMO can only be achieved from actual moving air, captured by a proper mic (or a combination of those). And yes, I AM a guitar player, but then: I'm the VERY first person in the world who'd love it if the answer was any different. Still, I haven't heard a convincing simulation for those deep, edgy, more or less fully driven stack sounds. And FWIW, I don't think Guitar Rig is doing such a great job. Yes, it's extremely flexible, yes, it DOES sound good on some settings (the crunchy ones actually aren't all that bad), but, as any other amp sim, it seriously lacks of some dynamics, especially in the "thug" range. For now, I'll stick with my VAmp (or POD, but that one hasn't been used since quite some time...) in case I need quick'n'dirty (or not so dirty... hmmm) results. For anything "real" I can pretty much see myself going the "oldfashioned" route for quite some time. - Sascha