On 5/9/04 3:47 AM, "logic-users@yahoogroups.com" <logic-users@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > My twopenworth! > The one feature from Cubase which I would love to see in Logic 7 is the > way in which patch names are organised. You can group patches into > types or any way you wish, create your own folders etc. - particularly > useful with the Triton rack where the patches are in an interesting but > unhelpful order. > Steve Yes! Yes! Yes!!!!!!!!! Logic is very crap (= goddam primitive) in this particular area. Russell From OZ

Hopefully, there will be an improvement to all Emagic softsynths. I cannot stand sifting through 3 levels of menus to change patches. Dave

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, amgshaffer <amgshaffer@c...> wrote: > Hopefully, there will be an improvement to all Emagic softsynths. I > cannot stand sifting through 3 levels of menus to change patches. > > Dave Actually switiching patches in logic synths is a DREAM... here's a tip for you... I simply have keys 1 & 2 (of the row on the top of the keyboard) assigned to "previous preset" and "next preset" (don't quote me onthe actual keycommand...I'm not next to my logic) and I can just go up and down presets that way... I wish VST, AU synths/plugins use these keycommands... then I'd be really happy... r.

On Sep 5, 2004, at 2:58, amgshaffer wrote: > Hopefully, there will be an improvement to all Emagic softsynths. I > cannot stand sifting through 3 levels of menus to change patches. You don't have to do that. Assign a computer key to "next plug-in setting" and "previous plug-in setting". These key commands work when the plug-in is opened to the graphic interface. 1) Double-click the plug-in to open the synth 2) Scroll through the pre-sets with the buttons Does not work with third party AU instruments. Only the Emagic virtual instruenst. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com

rushme666 wrote: > Actually switiching patches in logic synths is a DREAM... Huh? Just because of that "next/previous" function? Say, if you bought a hardware synth, would you consider it to be a "dream" feature if patch selection could be done only via some "next"/previous" function? No way! Most likely you wouldn't even buy such a synth because you'd have strong doubts regarding the mental sanity of the programmers! Yes, I admit there's one advance in the way Logic handles preset switching: You can access all of them all the time without loading any banks - which could as well be as a strong disadvantage in case you really have a LOT of patches. But then, after having worked with Cubase SX for some time now as well, I must say that overall the patch selection scheme of it is 100x better. Not only that after loading a bank you could just do it the same way as in Logic, no, it's even got some sort of "preview in context" function for patches. Your list will just stay open as long as you don't confirm your selection, and whatever patch you adress (with the arrow buttons) will be be playable. Once you're more happy with it than with what you had before, you load the patch. This is incredibly nice as you can "try out" a few patches before actually making a decision for the previously loaded one or any new one. In addition to that, patch selection the Cubase way allows for program changes. Another nice thing as you could just sit down at your master keyboard and press the appropriate program change buttons without ever thinking about scrolling through patch lists as well. Seriously, patch management and selection is one of the weakest things with all plugins in Logic - defenitely quite beyound my mindset how someone could call this a "dream". - Sascha

>You don't have to do that. Assign a computer key to "next plug-in >setting" and "previous plug-in setting". These key commands work when >the plug-in is opened to the graphic interface. > >1) Double-click the plug-in to open the synth >2) Scroll through the pre-sets with the buttons > >Does not work with third party AU instruments. Only the Emagic virtual >instruenst. > > Thanks for that tip. That is certainly a big improvement over what I was previously doing. However, I still think Emagic (Apple) could do a better job of preset management. Suppose I want to flip around different presets rather than scroll through them. Or if I want to change instrument groups. If a hardware synth can display all of its patches in one window (e.g. Korg Triton), why can't softsynths...they have a huge graphical advantage over hardware synths. That advantage should be used! Dave

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, amgshaffer <amgshaffer@c...> wrote: > > > However, I still think Emagic (Apple) could do a better job of preset > management. Couldn't agree more. At the very least, Virtual instruments should be as easy to deal with as the MIDI instruments they're meant to replace. Why doesn't the AU protocol - if it's so danged advanced and superior - have a standardized control for preset and bank selection? I'd be happy enough if I could at least see a bank at a time on screen, the way Multi-instrument patch name banks are displayed. Fix that, and then fix the "feature" where you have to select a AUi in the arrange page before hearing your edits in the Matrix display, and I'll be SO much happier. Okay, not happy. But less grumpy.

On Sep 5, 2004, at 4:33 AM, Sascha Franck wrote: > Huh? > Just because of that "next/previous" function? > Say, if you bought a hardware synth, would you consider it to be a "dream" > feature if patch selection could be done only via some "next"/previous" > function? No way! Most likely you wouldn't even buy such a synth because > you'd have strong doubts regarding the mental sanity of the programmers! Do you use alot of hardware? Lets see, my Waldorf Micro Q, Access Virus, Waldorf Microwave, Nord Modular, Korg ER-1, Korg MS2000, Novation BassStation, etc all make me push a +/- button or a dial to scroll through patches.. Id love to see a hardware synth with a big window that shows me a patch browser, but um those dont exist.. --- Chris http://www.descentrecords.com

Mothra wrote: > Do you use alot of hardware? Lets see, my Waldorf Micro Q, Access > Virus, Waldorf Microwave, Nord Modular, Korg ER-1, Korg MS2000, > Novation BassStation, etc all make me push a +/- button or a dial to > scroll through patches.. Id love to see a hardware synth with a big > window that shows me a patch browser, but um those dont exist.. If you would've been reading my post a bit more thoroughly you'd know that I wasn't saying a hardware synth (or whatever module for that matter) wouldn't have a patch +/- functionality - but NONE of them comes ONLY with this failry limited option. ALL the hardware synths you mentioned support program changes as well in addition! Which is what makes patch organisation a lot easier. - Sascha

> Do you use alot of hardware? Lets see, my Waldorf Micro Q, Access > Virus, Waldorf Microwave, Nord Modular, Korg ER-1, Korg MS2000, > Novation BassStation, etc all make me push a +/- button or a dial to > scroll through patches.. Id love to see a hardware synth with a big > window that shows me a patch browser, but um those dont exist.. > > --- > Chris > Yamaha Motif, S90 Korg Triton Roland Fantom Kurzweil K2000/2500/2600 etc all have a big patch browser windows. Notice how all of these are workstation keyboards, and the ones you listed are more specialty instruments. When using SoundDiver with hardware, you do get nice big windows of all your patches. I personally don't care at all about the subject, since I just use another instrument for every sound, but I understand why people are disappointed. let not take away MIDI features from the new virtual studio! -haven

2004-09-06 kl. 01.27 skrev timsonian: > ..... Fix that, and then fix the "feature" > where you have to select a AUi in the arrange page before hearing your > edits in the Matrix > display, and I'll be SO much happier. Okay, not happy. But less > grumpy. I agree, this is really annoying... /H