> From: Rob Yale <rob@...> >Subject: Re: [CROSS] SX3 Upcoming Release > >Quoth "Howard Wooten" <hwooten@...>On 9/2/04 10:07 PM: >> For those on the list that use both. >> http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID$42_ID=7 >><http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID$42Langue_I D=7> >> >> Some nice new features. >> >> HW > >Really? SX 3? Have they managed to get version 2 for Mac working yet? Solid from the folks I know using it. HW

>Really? SX 3? Have they managed to get version 2 for Mac working yet? > > > Solid from the folks I know using it. > > HW Over 70 known Bugs in Cubase SX2, and I do own it. But hey, it will make a nice little Timestretching and Acid Loops program for my studio......Bugs and all. Now, where is Logic 7? Must we always be last? Jman

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "jonathankek2000" wrote: > >Really? SX 3? Have they managed to get version 2 for Mac working yet? > > > > > > Solid from the folks I know using it. > > > > HW > >Over 70 known Bugs in Cubase SX2, and I do own it. Hmmm... that's at least 50 less than Logic's current count. I did post this under [CROSS], there are people using both on the list. HW

> Solid from the folks I know using it. > HW > > >Over 70 known Bugs in Cubase SX2, and I do own it. > > > Hmmm... that's at least 50 less than Logic's current count. > > HW Cubase or Cubase SX has NEVER been solid, for me, or anyone else that has ever used it. I used Cubase for over 10 years, so I know. To come on a Logic Board and state that Logic has 120 KNOWN Bugs is an inflamatory thing to do. I've personally found a handfull of Bugs in Logic Pro. If there are 120, please list them, so we may all benefit.

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, jonathankek2000 wrote: > Now, where is Logic 7? > > Must we always be last? You want a new Logic version just because there is a new Cubase version? If versions is all you care about, "we" are still 3 numbers ahead (which is an about as meaningless argument as "SX3 is coming, where is Logic 7?". As for always being last, "we" had the first DAW on OSX. Maurits.

On Sep 4, 2004, at 1:06 AM, Maurits van de Kamp wrote: > On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, jonathankek2000 wrote: > >> Now, where is Logic 7? >> >> Must we always be last? > > You want a new Logic version just because there is a new Cubase > version? > If versions is all you care about, "we" are still 3 numbers ahead > (which > is an about as meaningless argument as "SX3 is coming, where is Logic > 7?". As for always being last, "we" had the first DAW on OSX. > > Maurits. Uh, that would have been Ableton Live. And TC Spark was the first 2 track app. As for Cubase SX 3, looks good, I'll use it AND Logic V6 or 7 or whatever. George ________________________________________________________ A Member of the Apple Consultants Network (ACN) www.utopiaparkwaymusic.com Now both Mac OSX and Windows XP... the only way to fly ;-) Buy the new CSi Logic Pro Starter Training CD http://store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?muskalipman+MU3Us5+1592004784.html

> On Sep 4, 2004, at 1:06 AM, Maurits van de Kamp wrote: > >jonathankek2000 wrote: > Now, where is Logic 7? > Must we always be last? > > > You want a new Logic version just because there is a new Cubase > > version? It was a JOKE! It was a JOKE! But......I am secretly Jonesin for the "BIG" changes in Logic 7. I can't wait to try out "Sculpture", "Ultrabeat", and "Guitar Rig" (Or whatever it's called). It seems that whenever I'm in the middle of a new project, (when new and improved would be much appreciated) new and improved is not available. I know it's a sickness......nonetheless.....I would love to have the extras for my latest project. Which of course, will go to people that EXPECT the latest and the greatest. You see, it's a looping madness of insecurity linked with the need to pay my bills! > As for Cubase SX 3, looks good, I'll use it AND Logic V6 or 7 or > whatever. > George Absolutely! We are Fools for Tools! Cheers

>> > > Absolutely! We are Fools for Tools! > Didn't they have a couple of hits in the '80s? : ) James

<Admin - I am sure most members of the LUG would prefer if we don't get embroiled in yet another discussion about release dates, thanks> Must we always be last? Why do you think were last, could be we´re first and Steinberg are the ones catching up. I used Cubase for years until I got so tired of it that I decided to give Logic a shot, haven´t looked back since. Henrik Krogh henrikkrogh@...

Quoth "HKC" <hkc@...>On 9/5/04 5:25 AM: > <Admin - I am sure most members of the LUG would prefer if we don't get > embroiled in yet another discussion about release dates, thanks> > > Must we always be last? > > Why do you think were last, could be we´re first and Steinberg are the ones > catching up. I used Cubase for years until I got so tired of it that I > decided to give Logic a shot, haven´t looked back since. > Henrik Krogh > henrikkrogh@... And furthermore, why are we so fixated on release dates? After an unpleasant experience with SX and Nuendo 2.0 being released full of bugs, I recognize the wisdom of being patient. It is my hope that when Logic 7 is finally available, it is thoroughly tested on all appropriate Macs, both past, present and future, and is sufficiently stable as to render it dependable. In the meantime, I'll try to forget that a new version may be around the corner; there will ALWAYS be a new version around the corner. Rob Yale -- The Feynman Problem-Solving Algorithm:   (1) write down the problem;   (2) think very hard;   (3) write down the answer. ▪ Attributed to Murray Gell-Mann

Rob Yale <rob@...> writes: >And furthermore, why are we so fixated on release dates? After an >unpleasant experience with SX and Nuendo 2.0 being released full of bugs, >I >recognize the wisdom of being patient. It is my hope that when Logic 7 is >finally available, it is thoroughly tested on all appropriate Macs, both >past, present and future, and is sufficiently stable as to render it >dependable. > > >In the meantime, I'll try to forget that a new version may be around the >corner; there will ALWAYS be a new version around the corner. Ah... wise words! It's better to piss off impatient people (by simply taking a while to get it right) than it is to piss off patient people (by rushing an inferior product out the door). Fast. Cheap. Good. Choose any two. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

I personally would and will forego the additional features we saw at NAMM (although I look forward to them) until they're ready, but I suspect they are to be "bundled" with all the bug fixes we've been expecting to be rectified over the past 12-18 months. I am very happy with Logic Pro and it's new pricing/all in one approach but would like to see a few more minor updates occur spasmodically as the developers write/alleviate them. One of the great thing about this list in the past was it's ability to effect real-time change via the interaction with and from users, beta testers and developers. Is that all in the past now for LUG or are we just talking amongst ourselves while the dedicated folks at emapple do their thing in Culpertino? Cheers (patiently) Clive Young

On Sep 5, 2004, at 22:09, Clive Young wrote: > One of the great thing about this list in the > past was it's ability to effect real-time change via the interaction > with and from users, beta testers and developers. Is that all in the > past now for LUG or are we just talking amongst ourselves while the > dedicated folks at emapple do their thing in Culpertino? This list is still great! I see plenty of users, beta testers and developers among the posters. Well, maybe the noise to signal ratio is a bit different now with 14587 members instead of 2000 ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com

> Must we always be last? I think Emagic actually tests their software before doing a public release ;) Neil

Quoth "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@...>On 9/5/04 3:34 PM: > Fast. Cheap. Good. > Choose any two. Fast + Cheap = buggy Cheap + Good = unlikely Good + Fast = dreaming ;-) Rob Yale

>And furthermore, why are we so fixated on release dates? After an >unpleasant experience with SX and Nuendo 2.0 being released full of bugs, I >recognize the wisdom of being patient. It is my hope that when Logic 7 is >finally available, it is thoroughly tested on all appropriate Macs, both >past, present and future, and is sufficiently stable as to render it >dependable. > >In the meantime, I'll try to forget that a new version may be around the >corner; there will ALWAYS be a new version around the corner. > >Rob Yale yep, ther needs to be a 12 step group that deals with software addiction. "Hi, I'm John & I'm a software junkie..."

f-erenc szabo wrote: >Ah... wise words! > >It's better to piss off impatient people (by simply taking a while >to get it right) than it is to piss off patient people (by rushing >an inferior product out the door). > > >Fast. Cheap. Good. >Choose any two. words to live by i'd say :-))