Hi Folks Here's my set up 1.25 dual G4 1.25ram 200gb lacie 800 firewire drive OSX 10.3.4 Motu 424 card 2408 III interface Magma 7 slot chasis with 1 powercore 2x Uad-1 cards Logic Pro 6.4.2 Now here goes I've got 20 tracks running and quite a few plugins but none of the boards are overloading or anywhere near overloading I was occassionally getting a message that the Core audio disk too slow ! but I even put up with that crap even though I can run cubase on a dual 500 with the same amount of track with no problem. I started to do a radio edit of a tune that was readfy to mix down to tape (old revox) I cut up the track and deleted the regions getting a box asking whether to keep the automation or not (I have tried doing this both ways keeping and not) then I move the regions to the edit point and get asked if I want to move the automation yes and everything fine ecept that the automation at the end of the track does not move, I have tried everything with no success I've tried editing the automation and that doesn't work neither. Then I looked a Logic on line help but that was not installed so I reinstalled the whole of logic first with Platinum then Pro but still no online help then tried playing back the tune and it gets the disk too slow and crashes all the time. I've removed all the automation every plugin taken the Magma chasis and the powercore uad-1 cards out of my machine so all I am left with is a song with 20 track that are 24bit 41000 sample rate and guess what it gets to the 18th bar and gives me the Disk too slow and crashes, if Logic cannot play 20 tracks back on 1.25 dual G4 it is not a professional peice of kit but Flake-ware Has anyone any ideas I'm about to reformat my OSX drive and reinstall the whole system ( I really enjoy the productivity that I have with this system this the second time I'm reinstalling the system) TTFN Subcoustic

searched the faq .. I forgot how to extend the recording time of an audio track any help would be great thanx scott

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "subcoustic" <subcoustic@y...> wrote: > Here's my set up > 1.25 dual G4 1.25ram 200gb lacie 800 firewire drive OSX 10.3.4 > Motu 424 card 2408 III interface > Magma 7 slot chasis with 1 powercore 2x Uad-1 cards > Logic Pro 6.4.2 [...] > 41000 sample rate and guess what it gets to the 18th bar and gives me the Disk too slow 44100? > and crashes, if Logic cannot play 20 tracks back on 1.25 dual G4 it is not a >professional peice of kit but Flake-ware Has anyone any ideas I'm about to >reformat my OSX drive and reinstall the whole system ( > I really enjoy the productivity that I have with this system this the second >time I'm reinstalling the system) I'm guessing you have your audio tracks on the firewire drive. You shouldn't have any trouble running that many tracks on an internal drive. Does your G4 have a FW800 interface or is it standard Firewire? Also, do you have any other firewire devices attached to your system? They can slow down your available bandwidth and cause polling interruptions in your disk stream. Have you increased the Disk IO buffer to the largest setting? Try copying the tracks to your internal drive and see if that helps. rob

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott Riley <rilen13@y...> wrote: > searched the faq .. I forgot how to extend the recording time of an audio track > > any help would be great > > thanx > > scott Hi, just press "a" to get to the audio record settings window and change the time limit by either changing the amount of time,or unchecking the box that limits it. Cheers, Nick

"subcoustic" <subcoustic@y...> wrote: >> Here's my set up >> 1.25 dual G4 1.25ram 200gb lacie 800 firewire drive OSX 10.3.4 >> Motu 424 card 2408 III interface >> Magma 7 slot chasis with 1 powercore 2x Uad-1 cards >> Logic Pro 6.4.2 > [...] >> 41000 sample rate and guess what it gets to the 18th bar and gives me >> the Disk too slow > > 44100? > >> and crashes, if Logic cannot play 20 tracks back on 1.25 dual G4 it is not a >> professional peice of kit but Flake-ware Has anyone any ideas I'm about to >> reformat my OSX drive and reinstall the whole system ( >> I really enjoy the productivity that I have with this system this the second >> time I'm reinstalling the system) >> If the G4 Dual 1.25 is the older MDD rather than an FW800 Model, then your FW800 drive is only going to run at 400 max.... which is roughly 50MB/s same as old fast scsi II, or Slightly slower than ATA66. Only with the very last generation of g4 machines is FW800 relevant., also if you have an FW400 device connected to the FW800 Buss, it will run the bus at 400 not 800, in much the same way as SCSI only ran at the speed of the slowest device connected /. it should still easily cope with this number of tracks though, hell My Old (before I got the G5 last year) G4/500AGP could run 50+ tracks of 44.1KHz audio Logic can run it easily... Hell on My G5 System it can run well over 100 tracks (not that i ever use that many) So the question should not be what's wrong with logic, but what is wrong with your system, and how exactly have you set it up incorrectly.... Perhaps if you gave us some idea about which continent you're on, someone more Mac experienced, and local to you, might consider helping you out on a practical basis. Little things like making sure file vault is not active, that the Disk is Formatted into Mac OS extended, and at appropriate block sizes (for example, some Glyph drives are NOT set up for Mac use "out of the Box" but require formatting into an appropriately efficient configuration.... I fail to understand why ANYONE uses Firewire Disks for Audio Tracking..... they are pretty much ALL slower than the internal Disk drives can be..... For example. the earlier MDD dual 1.25 had ATA 100, which = 100MB/s maximum transfer.... which okay, FW 800 can pretty much match......... except that this machine only had FW400, which is half as fast! at only 50MB/s the Later Dual 1.25 FW800 series had true FW800 alright, but also had both ATA100 and ATA66 Internal busses, and supported up to four internal hard drives, 2 on each ATA Bus, and all of which outperformed FW400. with the ATA100 easily at least matching FW800, possibly in some circumstances, surpassing it. Indeed, with the G5, and the advent of SATA150 , the internal drives on Current Power Macs now FAR outstrip Even the best that FW800 can offer.... by some 50% or so. Anyway, back to your "issue" As someone else has mentioned, make damn sure you do NOT have nay other firewire devices sharing the buss. Also, experiment with the larger Disk buffer settings, but on mix down, assign a larger Buffer value to the PCI424-2408Mk3, as the latency is irrelevant on playback..... up the latency and you may find that the latency loading was causing a problem, and that now everything runs smoothly. you MIGHT also find a problem if you are using a LOT of the Resources on your DSP cards , as this can use a fair bit of the PCI bandwidth, which your PCI424 also requires... however, if you're not pushing them to the limit, then it's unlikely to be the culprit... Are you using EXS24 and are your samples stored on the same disk as your Audio files???? this too can cause problems, it is usually best to keep the Samples and Audio recording on separate Disks, on Separate Busses...... So Audio on ATA100, and Samples on ATA66, or vice versa, and then Back them up to the FW800..... Are you using the EXS Virtual memory manager?? I have found this to cause me no end of hassles in OSX, so I turn it off and let OS X's native management take control...... which I find more reliable and robust, but then I have 3.5GB of RAM, so it matters less I presume/......... ( I also use EXS in 32 bit sample storage mode not 24....) Also, if you're using a MDD 1.25 G4, with 4 PCI slots AND AGP, then Why are you using the magma??? All these cards should fit inside the Mac anyway, removing the possibility of any Expansion Chassis problems being relevant. (I'm open to being told there is a good technical reason to do so mind you.,....;-) ) But I can assure you Logic plan play more tracks than your hardware can.... So Don't go blaming it for ALLl your problems..... ;-) just the ones where it IS at fault...... (Like not Directly supporting ADAT 9pin Sync for clock sourcing ..... ) Max

maxtech.audioservices <maxtech.audioservices@...> wrote: : : If the G4 Dual 1.25 is the older MDD rather than an FW800 Model, then : your FW800 drive is only going to run at 400 max.... which is roughly : 50MB/s same as old fast scsi II, or Slightly slower than ATA66. Only I think you remember incorrectly. Fast SCSI-2 was *5MB/s*, not 50. Ultra-Wide SCSI was 40MB/s, then I believe they jumped to 80 and then 160 and then 320. : I fail to understand why ANYONE uses Firewire Disks for Audio : Tracking..... they are pretty much ALL slower than the internal Disk : drives can be..... Notebook computers. -- agreenbu @ nyx . net andrew michael greenburg

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, amgmamgma <agreenbu@n...> wrote: > I think you remember incorrectly. Fast SCSI-2 was *5MB/s*, not 50. SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 regular flavours = 5MB/sec SCSI-2 Fast = 10MB/sec After that I stopped using SCSI, and lost track... John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

On 6. kesä 2004, at 22:24, maxtech.audioservices wrote: > > I fail to understand why ANYONE uses Firewire Disks for Audio > Tracking..... they are pretty much ALL slower than the internal Disk > drives can be..... > > For example. > > the earlier MDD dual 1.25 had ATA 100, which == 100MB/s maximum > transfer.... > which okay, FW 800 can pretty much match......... except that this > machine only had FW400, which is half as fast! at only 50MB/s These of course are all theoretical max bandwidths. I have a 867 Mhz G4, which I believe has ATA interface that should be much faster than FireWire 400 but the IBM drives I measured permormed worse than the latest LaCie FireWire I bought. As I haven't had the need to run more tracks than the internal IBM drive can give me, I haven't tried it in real life situation to see if I could get more tracks out of the FireWire drive than the ATA drive. Cheers Check out the web page for my band updated 9.4.2004 . New home address : http://jormapen.fidisk.fi

Thanks for the input Max Ive been using Macs for about 10 years the Mac is a FW800 model I'm runnig firewire drives because Emagic support in the UK recommend that I use Firewire drives ( did ask about all the alternatives as I'd just had problems with a Adaptec 39160 system that after enquiring more I found out to be a not recommended SCSI system to use with OSX ) I do have firewire 400 but it's not on the same buss as far as I know, I've talked to the local Mac tech guy who's looking into finding out whether the FW800 buss is actually used by the FW400 ports ( which is a bit of a cheat ) I have reinstalled a new system and reinstalled logic and uad-1 and powercore the logic help has not been installed and the FW400 taken out of the system and still with no plugins used and 20 tracks playing back (7 or 8 playing back at the same time) it gives me the core audio overload. I've talked today to afew friends who use logic and all of them are coming up with the same conclusion that Logic is not installing correctly on my system, I'll have a look at the file vault tomorrow as I forgot to check it and for the record these are all audio tracks that full lenght and there's just 1 midi track no virtual instruments technical reson for the Magma is that they seem to run with less problems in a chasis no pops and crackles when pushed abit and also I am thinking of getting another card aswell, if you come up with anymore ideas I'm willing to try them out. TTFN Subcoustic

Do I undestrand you correctly, you have "File Vault" enabled? Turn it off. Also switch off journalling on your audio drives (only leave it on on your system partition). Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@m...> wrote: > Do I undestrand you correctly, you have "File Vault" enabled? Turn it off. > Also switch off journalling on your audio drives (only leave it on on your > system partition). > > Peter > --- > http://www.merlinsound.de Hi Peter No I don't have file vault enabled never have, I installed 6.4.2 on my Dual 500 in the office today and have the same problems with no online help so I think I've got a duff installer and support in the UK also think that it's something to do with the intallation, so their send me a new intsaller, fingers crossed. TTFN Subcoustic

> From: "subcoustic" <subcoustic@...> > No I don't have file vault enabled never have, I installed 6.4.2 on my Dual > 500 in the office today and have the same problems with no online help so I > think I've got a duff installer and support in the UK also think that it's > something to do with the intallation, so their send me a new intsaller, > fingers crossed. It does seem that the 6.4.2 installer does not copy the help files across from the 6.4(.1) install. It is possible to copy them manually if you wish. I doubt very much that this is causing further problems with your installation - but you are obviously getting that anyway. Have you tried running your session from the internal drive rather than your Lacie drive? I've found all manner of problems with them... Also have you tried playing back the song on the built-in hardware, rather than your MotU? BTW: the FW400 and FW800 are on the same bus. Quote from the Apple documentation: "The three FireWire ports share a single power supply that can provide up to 15 watts total. The three ports are all on the same FireWire bus and can connect to up 62 other FireWire devices." And also (I know you're having problems without this in the setup), I would be very surprised if you got your MotU and PowerCore and UAD cards all happily playing together. There's a _lot_ of load on the PCI bus here, and I would expect you to get all manner of pops and crackles with it. That'll do for now. -- The best of times to you all... Pants