I've been trying to draw automation for Output 1-2, and I see no way to manually add a track to the Arrange window that represents Output 1-2. If I put the Output 1-2 audio object into Write or Latch mode and move the fader while the transport is running, when I switch back to the Arrange window a track has been added for Output 1-2, showing the automation that I can then edit. This seems like a runaround, though; I'd rather be able to add this track manually to the Arrange window and draw my automation directly, rather than having to move the fader just to add this track. Is there a way to manually add a "track" for Output objects (or busses, for that matter) directly in the Arrange window? Am I missing something simple (wouldn't be the first time)? Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM M-Audio Delta 24/96 (fed via S/PDIF from a Yamaha DSP Factory)

--- Brian Pylant <bappo@...> wrote: > I've been trying to draw automation for Output 1-2, and I see no way > to manually add a track to the Arrange window that represents Output 1-2. <snip> > Is there a way to manually add a "track" for Output objects (or > busses, for that matter) directly in the Arrange window? Command-click the object in the environment. Christan ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm

On 04-03-29 07.53, "Brian Pylant" <bappo@...> wrote: > Is there a way to manually add a "track" for Output objects (or busses, > for that matter) directly in the Arrange window? Am I missing something > simple (wouldn't be the first time)? > > Brian Sure there is! You just have to make sure the object appears at the arrange window track list (which displays itself when you hold down the mouse button over a tack name in the arrange window, left panel). Select the object in the environment, press "h" (show parameters) and tic the little square "icon" (first small tic box of the parameter box). Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com

Brian Pylant <bappo@...> writes: > I see no way to manually add a track to the Arrange > window that represents Output 1-2. In the Environment, you need to turn on this AudioObject's icon so it actually shows up in the Arrange's TrackChoice flipmenu. Or you can use the Environment Tool that looks like a MIDI jack, and click on the chosen AudioObject. Then this object replaces whatever object that happened to be in the selected track in the Arrange. So be careful, and pre-select a track in the Arrange that you don't mind changing. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

--- Brian Pylant <bappo@...> wrote: > I've been trying to draw automation for Output 1-2, and I see no way > to manually add a track to the Arrange window that represents Output 1-2. <snip> > Is there a way to manually add a "track" for Output objects (or > busses, for that matter) directly in the Arrange window? christian obermaier <christianobermaier@...> >Command-click the object in the environment. If you press COMMAND, then this changes your cursor to the secondary tool, whichever you've happened to have chosen. So it's possible that your secondary tool is indeed the correct tool for doing this (the one that looks like a MIDI jack), but it's possible that it isn't (maybe it's the eraser? maybe it's the pencil?) So the always correct answer is to use the "MIDI Jack" tool in the Environment to force a an Environment object to go in the Arrange's selected track. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

> Sure there is! You just have to make sure the object appears at the > arrange > window track list (which displays itself when you hold down the mouse > button > over a tack name in the arrange window, left panel). Select the object > in > the environment, press "h" (show parameters) and tic the little square > "icon" (first small tic box of the parameter box). Wow, thanks... that seems so obtuse, I don't think I ever would've figured that out! So this leads to a secondary question, why is the icon parameter for the output objects deselected by default? That really doesn't make any sense... I've modified my autoload accordingly, so I'll always have that available easily in the future. Thanks to everyone who replied, I appreciate it! Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM M-Audio Delta 24/96 (fed via S/PDIF from a Yamaha DSP Factory)

>> Sure there is! You just have to make sure the object appears at the >> arrange >> window track list (which displays itself when you hold down the mouse >> button >> over a tack name in the arrange window, left panel). Select the object >> in >> the environment, press "h" (show parameters) and tic the little square >> "icon" (first small tic box of the parameter box). > On 04-03-30 06.30, "Brian Pylant" <bappo@...> wrote: > Wow, thanks... that seems so obtuse, I don't think I ever would've > figured that out! So this leads to a secondary question, why is the > icon parameter for the output objects deselected by default? That > really doesn't make any sense... Makes perfect sense to me because then the Adaptive Track Mixer will not become astronomically huge ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com

> Makes perfect sense to me because then the Adaptive Track Mixer will > not > become astronomically huge ;-) What I meant by "obtuse" is: what does "icon" have anything to do with "will be listed in the Arrange window". Seems like an extremely poor choice of nomenclature to me... Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM M-Audio Delta 24/96 (fed via S/PDIF from a Yamaha DSP Factory)

> What I meant by "obtuse" is: what does "icon" have anything to do with > "will be listed in the Arrange window". Seems like an extremely poor > choice of nomenclature to me... Well, in that sense, books are also obtuse, cause since nowhere is stated that you have to read them left to right, how is one supposed to make any sense of these things ? Enabling the icon makes objects selectable in the track instrument list. Get used to it and use it to your advantage. Christian -- homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm

Brian Pylant <bappo@...> writes: >what does "icon" have anything to do with >"will be listed in the Arrange window". Seems like an extremely poor >choice of nomenclature to me... Previously, the flipmenu in the Arrange that allowed you to select the type of track actually showed icons in this list. Sadly, in order to use an Apple-standard hierarchical menu this feature disappeared. So at one time, it wasn't so obtuse to turn off/on an Environment object's icon in order to have it appear in the Arrange's flipmenu. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

On 04-04-01 05.05, "Brian Pylant" <bappo@...> wrote: >> Makes perfect sense to me because then the Adaptive Track Mixer will >> not >> become astronomically huge ;-) > > What I meant by "obtuse" is: what does "icon" have anything to do with > "will be listed in the Arrange window". Seems like an extremely poor > choice of nomenclature to me... Yes, I agree. But I kind of got used to it from using Logic for more than a decade ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com

> Well, in that sense, books are also obtuse, cause since nowhere is > stated > that you have to read them left to right, how is one supposed to make > any > sense of these things ? I think that's quite a stretch for an analogy... are you saying that it DOES make sense that the label "icon" doesn't actually mean "icon"? "Getting used to it" is certainly something that's easy enough to do, but it doesn't make it a good label just because it can be gotten used to. Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM M-Audio Delta 24/96 (fed via S/PDIF from a Yamaha DSP Factory)

>> Well, in that sense, books are also obtuse > I think that's quite a stretch for an analogy Maybe. Can you read music ? I can't. And i can tell you i wouldn't notice a lot of things in a score where sight readers would claim it was printed in big bold letters across the entire staff. It's all about perception and training. Put me in front of DP and i would miserably fail. Like f-erenc pointed out, there was the link of the icon showing up (or not) in the track instrument list. I didn't even remember this. I read it in the manual once on, like, v1.7 and that was it. I never even put a thought in the matter whether it was intuitive or not. > but it doesn't make it a good label just because it can be gotten used > to. Wait 'til you find out about the Tape Recorder icon ;o) Christian -- homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm

> Wait 'til you find out about the Tape Recorder icon ;o) I'm not sure what you're referring to, but now I'm afraid... very afraid. 8^) Cheers, Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM M-Audio Delta 24/96 (fed via S/PDIF from a Yamaha DSP Factory)

>> Wait 'til you find out about the Tape Recorder icon ;o) > I'm not sure what you're referring to, but now I'm afraid I will leave this riddle up to you ;o) Christian -- homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm