For those who want a comparison, I suggest going to the *appropriate newsgroups*. I do not personally know the ProTools one. The PARIS one is at greatidea.com, called rec.audio.ensoniqparis You will find in the PARIS newsgroup a lot of passion about the product because *people like it*, not because they are (generally anyway) trying to justify their expenditure. You will also find LOTS of bitching about what it doesn't do. You will ALSO find (IMHO another great thing about PARIS compared to almost any other software/hardware) that the tech support guys for the software are on there all the time and actually take the time to respond to questions. The point is not that anyone should choose PARIS - if possible you really should listen to both and ask questions of those using both. My point is that the PARIS newsgroup, at least, is a great source of info, good and bad, and, yes, biased towards PARIS. I'm sure there are great ProTools lists/newsgroups that are generally biased towards ProTools as they should be and I imagine they have good info. I just don't know where one is. Back when I was making the evaluation between the two I talked to reps from both company, both at presentations and off-line and wasn't using newsgroups/lists at that time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dedric Terry <dedric@...> To: <logic-users@onelist.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [LUG] Kryotech Athlon Review - Brian Tankersley > From: "Dedric Terry" <dedric@...> > > >>Some times I wonder if these guys are doing real music instead of counting > >>tracks > > > >Don't you know who Brian T is? > >Look at at least a hundred of the CD's coming out from Nashville the last 20 > >years or so... > >You will find his name on them. > >Among others the latest Shania Twain... > > > > Great! I'm sure both systems are used on lots of great projects, but that > doesn't imply that he used it exclusively on any given project. Did he use > Paris on the Shania Twain project? > > >>there is nothing than can even touch protools, Paris is going to > >>incorporate midi in the next version as well, but no matter what they do it > >>will still be another one of those in my books, they can not and will never > >>reach the elegance of protools, Digi has done a great job with protools 5 > >>and Protools for post, now you can even deal with midi like audio in > >>protools , I don't even care if Brain can achieve 1000 track counts with > >>his system from hell at the end its the software that counts........ > > > >Well a lot of these guys are coming from ProTools. > >They don't consider it a "cheap man's ProTools" at all. > >It sounds _better_ than ProTools - that's why they use it... > > > > Any hard evidence that Paris sounds better than PT? Anyone actually > duplicated a mix on both systems to hear it in a critical, real-world test? > You can't exactly go to a Guitar Center, or Mars, or wherever, and get that > kind of comparison testing. Mac-Daw went through this with PT vs. > host-based. > > >(and Yeah - I'm talking about that latest ProTools hardware and software) > > Brian's post mentioned the plugin limitations of TDM, but didn't share how > many DirectX or VST plugins can you run within Paris' hardware, and still > maintain mixing track count? 32-track mixing for example (to compare with a > PT MIX plus system). I'm sure their EQ is great, and the compression is > decent, but is there anything on par with a Megaverb, Focusrite D2 and D3, > Lexiverb, Waves C4, etc for Paris/DirectX/VST (running in Paris hardware, > with uncompromised 32-track mixing and no more than 2 ESI cards, and not > host-based)? Can you run the Paris system from within Logic? > > How does the groovy Paris mixer compare to ProControl (yeah, I know it is > about 1/12 the price, but you do get whatcha pay for!) ;-) Is Paris > compatible with Procontrol via ethernet (not a slow MIDI port and MMC!)? ;-) > > I think it is great that AMD has a smokin' processor. Apple will have > multi-CPU G4s next Feb or so, and sharks (600MHz and up (1Ghz)) not long > after that. Then it is G2000s and plutonium powered PCs.... Athlon > screams (until windows crashes); G4 screams (or will when everyone is > compatible with the Sawtooth and the bugs are worked out); BeOS is great (if > you don't need software); etc, etc, etc. - tradeoffs. Seems like you need > ALL of the facts along with your own business needs and budget to make a > sound decision. > > How much business will I get if I advertise Paris? ProTools? (I know the > answer to that). Ensoniq has not been traditionally synonymous with the > highest quality - seems like an uphill marketing battle - and all the more > reason for very passionate support from its users. The crux of the issue is > a head to head comparison. Otherwise get one when you pick apples, get the > other when you are making orange juice. At least Protools has been around > long enough that users are willing to admit it's shortcomings. Passionate > arguments for a product usually indicate defending investment, or being paid > as an endorser. What do Paris users wish they had in Paris, but don't? > > Dedric >