Hi, I've been trying to create a ping delay incorporating an eq to progessivly alter the sound. What I've done is set up two Aux channels (1&2) with inputs set to busses (1&2 respectivly). I've then use a sends to go from Aux 1 to Bus 2, and Aux 2 to Bus 1. Each Aux has a delay plug-in. This doesn't seem to work, once the signal gets to the point where is has to loop back round it gets lost. Is this some sort of restriction in Logic or is there a setting I am overlooking? I've tried simplifying the configuration but using just a single bus and aux (no left-right ping pong, just progressive eqing) but this doesn't work either... it's as if logic doesn't allow you to loop the singal back round. Thanks, Tas.

> sends to go from Aux 1 to Bus 2, and Aux 2 to Bus 1. Each > Aux has a delay plug-in. This doesn't seem to work This has been discussed three hours ago. Read the list. Christian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

On 04-03-01 14.10, "tfrangoullides" <tas@...> wrote: >... it's as if logic doesn't > allow you to loop the singal back round. You're right, it doesn't. But can't you set up a Ping Pong using only one Stereo Delay plug-in on a track or a bus? Best wishes Per Boysen -- www.boysen.se www.looproom.com

On 3/1/04, tfrangoullides put forth: >I've been trying to create a ping delay incorporating an eq to >progessivly alter the sound. What I've done is set up two Aux >channels (1&2) with inputs set to busses (1&2 respectivly). I've >then use a sends to go from Aux 1 to Bus 2, and Aux 2 to Bus 1. Each >Aux has a delay plug-in. This doesn't seem to work, once the signal >gets to the point where is has to loop back round it gets lost. Is >this some sort of restriction in Logic or is there a setting I am >overlooking? I've tried simplifying the configuration but using just >a single bus and aux (no left-right ping pong, just progressive >eqing) but this doesn't work either... it's as if logic doesn't >allow you to loop the singal back round. Apparently it doesn't :( Please see the recent "No Aux Feedback" thread.

> You're right, it doesn't. But can't you set up a Ping Pong using only one > Stereo Delay plug-in on a track or a bus? > Per, I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but if you mean a regular stereo delay then no. I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right.

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, christian obermaier <christianobermaier@y...> wrote: > > sends to go from Aux 1 to Bus 2, and Aux 2 to Bus 1. Each > > Aux has a delay plug-in. This doesn't seem to work > > This has been discussed three hours ago. > > Read the list. > > Christian Yeah.. sorry guys. I had a hunt last night but didn't have a chance to read the latest messages this morning. Please accept my appologies!

> I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right. Um, you *did* try the plain vanilla Stereo Delay which has hi and lo pass filters built in for exactly this purpose, yes ? Christian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

On 04-03-01 16.18, "tfrangoullides" <tas@...> wrote: >> You're right, it doesn't. But can't you set up a Ping Pong using > only one >> Stereo Delay plug-in on a track or a bus? >> > Per, > > I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but if you mean a regular stereo > delay then no. I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right. Ok. Now I see what you're after. That kind of "feedback setting between busses/aux" is unfortunately not possible in Logic now. per

On Mar 1, 2004, at 7:18 PM, tfrangoullides wrote: >> You're right, it doesn't. But can't you set up a Ping Pong using > only one >> Stereo Delay plug-in on a track or a bus? > > > I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but if you mean a regular stereo > delay then no. I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right. Why don't you use the Stereo Delay (or even a Multi-Tap), and then just Automate the EQ that you are talking about (during the delay repeats)? Chris M.

hello, On Mar 1, 2004, at 9:18 AM, tfrangoullides wrote: >> You're right, it doesn't. But can't you set up a Ping Pong using > only one >> Stereo Delay plug-in on a track or a bus? >> > Per, > > I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but if you mean a regular stereo > delay then no. I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right. glad to disagree, it does work, i do it all the time, it's one of my favorites setups, oftentimes i do include compressors, eq's, pitch changers, etc. the deal is you have to pan both busses to the center, and, disable the outputs of the busses. although there's something about it, it get's some sort of ugly distortion that you don't get, with the same set up if you use a tdm system. so just center-pan your busses, if the objects do not exist then create them, and pan them to the center, and disable the outputs. then your aux objects shoud have as input the busses: bus 1: output: none, panned to the center, yes, i know it makes no sense but works. bus 2: output: none, panned to the center, yes, i know it makes no sense but works. aux1: input: bus1, send to bus 2. output: your choice (1 and 2 or l+r) aux2: input: bus2, sned to bus 1. output: your choice (1 and 2 or l+r) i did report this behavior to emagic, about 2 years ago, but it's remained the same. regards vico vico@... sonido mambo atletas 2 edificio luis buñuel c307 estudios churubusco azteca col. country club mexico d.f. 04220 tel mex 5255 5549 7869, 5255 5549 3060 x 208

> bus 1: output: none, panned to the center, yes, i know it makes no > sense but works. > bus 2: output: none, panned to the center, yes, i know it makes no > sense but works. > > aux1: input: bus1, send to bus 2. output: your choice (1 and 2 or l+r) > aux2: input: bus2, sned to bus 1. output: your choice (1 and 2 or l+r) Just checked, doesn't work. Bus objects show higher levels when driven by Sends, but do not forward this to the connected Aux. Inserts in the Bus operate only *until* the 'forbidden' send loop is assigned, even across more than one Bus/Aux combo. This is so consistent, that i can hardly take it as an oversight. But then, what do i know. As soon as we dare to tread the line, we are rigorously called back like the watchdog on its chain. I do not like this. Christian Do you have UTM on or off ? -- homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm

On 02/03/2004, at 2:18 AM, tfrangoullides wrote: > I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but if you mean a regular stereo > delay then no. I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right. > Or use a mono Tape delay that does this kind of eq in the plug and then automate the pan of the bus or aux to ping pong it. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

On 02/03/2004, at 1:00 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > You're right, it doesn't. But can't you set up a Ping Pong using only > one > Stereo Delay plug-in on a track or a bus? > Yes and then add an eq post that if the HPF and LPF in the Stereo delay plug is not enough. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

> > I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left- > > right. --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, christian obermaier <christianobermaier@y...> wrote: > Um, you *did* try the plain vanilla Stereo Delay which has hi and > lo pass filters built in for exactly this purpose, yes ? Yes, Thanks christian. I'm not that keen on those filters, if prefer the curves on my renaisance eq and also like to add a little distortion. Hence I need to get my plug-ins into the audio path as it repeats.

> Hence I need to get my plug-ins into the audio path as > it repeats. Which is miraculously made possible again thanks to meeble's trick. Christian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

<quotes repositioned and trimmed by admin> > > >> You're right, it doesn't. But can't you set up a Ping Pong using only one > >> Stereo Delay plug-in on a track or a bus? > > > > I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but if you mean a regular stereo > > delay then no. I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right. > > Why don't you use the Stereo Delay (or even a Multi-Tap), and then just > Automate the EQ that you are talking about (during the delay repeats)? Chris, I know what you mean but it doesn't quite give the same results. Appling a eq progressivly gives a much smoother effect. I also like to add a touch of distortion which is even harder to achieve that way. The sound you get from applying a touch of distortion 15 times over vs applying more distortion just the once is very different. Thanks for tip though.

<quotes repositioned and trimmed by admin> > > Hence I need to get my plug-ins into the audio path as > > it repeats. > > Which is miraculously made possible again thanks to meeble's trick. > > Christian You've lost me I'm afraid. What exactly is meeble's trick and how does it help me?

> > Which is miraculously made possible again thanks to meeble's trick. > > > > Christian > > You've lost me I'm afraid. What exactly is meeble's trick and how > does it help me? Ah, come on, where have you been ? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/message/158534 Christian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

> > Which is miraculously made possible again thanks to meeble's trick. > > > > Christian > > You've lost me I'm afraid. What exactly is meeble's trick and how > does it help me? You were refering to to the thread "No Aux Feedback? SOLUTION".. which does exactly what I want!!! Thanks!

> > > Christian > > > > You've lost me I'm afraid. What exactly is meeble's trick and how > > does it help me? > > Ah, come on, where have you been ? > Sorry your highness!

> > Ah, come on, where have you been ? > > > > Sorry your highness! :o) Christian ====homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

<quotes repositioned by admin> --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "tfrangoullides" <tas@m...> wrote: > > > I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > > > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right. christian obermaier <christianobermaier@y...> wrote: > > Um, you *did* try the plain vanilla Stereo Delay which has hi and > > lo pass filters built in for exactly this purpose, yes ? > > > Yes, Thanks christian. I'm not that keen on those filters, if prefer > the curves on my renaisance eq and also like to add a little > distortion. Hence I need to get my plug-ins into the audio path as it repeats. I just found this link below on Emagic's web site. I downloaded the Ping Pong Delaya and I will try it later. http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ Randy

> > > > I am trying to progressivly eq the sound so it gets > > > > thinner with each repeat as well have the delay bounce left-right. > > christian obermaier <christianobermaier@y...> wrote: > > > Um, you *did* try the plain vanilla Stereo Delay which has hi and > > > lo pass filters built in for exactly this purpose, yes ? > > > > > > Yes, Thanks christian. I'm not that keen on those filters, if prefer > > the curves on my renaisance eq and also like to add a little > > distortion. Hence I need to get my plug-ins into the audio path as it >>repeats. > > I just found this link below on Emagic's web site. I downloaded the > Ping Pong Delaya and I will try it later. > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ > Randy Downloaded the Stereo Ping Pong Delay and Multitap delay Audio Unit plugins. The Ping Pong Delay seemed to work well but the multitap didn't function at all. Here's the link again below: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ You should try it!