Hi I am aware that this may have been covered before, but I am struggling to find any inforamation on this. I wish to use the 01V to control the audio mixer on LAPW 5.5. I would like feedback from LAP to put the 01V faders in the right place when you load a song, and to be able to move up banks like with Logic Control. I was able to get 01V faders to move on screen faders before logic 5 by using a physical input to teh audio environment, but not now. Any ideas? Thanks with anticipation Gareth P4 2GHz 1GB RAM LAP 5.5 MOTU 896

Hi I am aware that this may have been covered before, but I am struggling to find any inforamation on this. I wish to use the 01V to control the audio mixer on LAPW 5.5. I would like feedback from LAP to put the 01V faders in the right place when you load a song, and to be able to move up banks like with Logic Control. I was able to get 01V faders to move on screen faders before logic 5 by using a physical input to teh audio environment, but not now. Any ideas? Thanks with anticipation Gareth P4 2GHz 1GB RAM LAP 5.5 MOTU 896

Am 28.01.2004 um 12:01 schrieb Gareth Metcalf: > I wish to use the 01V to control the audio mixer on LAPW 5.5. I > would like feedback from LAP to put the 01V faders in the right > place when you load a song, and to be able to move up banks like > with Logic Control. > > I was able to get 01V faders to move on screen faders before logic 5 > by using a physical input to teh audio environment, but not now. If I got it right, there's a bug in newer logic versions, which prevents MIDI CC messages from being recorded as track based automation. Look at John's CC automation example at http://www.revolver.co.nz/logic/ to circumvent this. Thomas

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Jaensch <georg.faustus@g...> wrote: > If I got it right, there's a bug in newer logic versions, which > prevents MIDI CC messages from being recorded as track based > automation. As the poster is on Windows Logic 5.x however, this will not be a problem. He'll have working Sysex-fader-to-CC conversion too ;-) > Look at John's CC automation example at > http://www.revolver.co.nz/logic/ to circumvent this. Nope, that's for recording CCs (environment or external) to track automation for _midi_ tracks, and have it play back as CCs to the midi instrument. I would have answered in this thread before now, recommending Fadermapper - http://www.opuslocus.com/fadermapper/ - but the original poster is also looking for feedback to move his motorized faders, which Fadermapper 1.0 does not provide (it does do soft takeover however). There is an unreleased Fadermapper 2.0 which _does_ do feedback to motorfaders, but due to the abovementioned bugs in Logic 6.x, and availability of LC Xmu, I am unlikely to ever complete, document and release that, sorry. Something that might be useful is Lennart Wahlin's older "CC-Rider" environment, which I believe was developed in 4.x with the 01V in mind. From what I remember, that does provide motorfader feedback if desired. It won't do track automation however. Last I looked, that was at http://www.swiftkick.com John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

> --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Jaensch > <georg.faustus@g...> wrote: >> Look at John's CC automation example at >> http://www.revolver.co.nz/logic/ to circumvent this. Am 29.01.2004 um 23:22 schrieb John Pitcairn: > Nope, that's for recording CCs (environment or external) to track > automation for _midi_ tracks, and have it play back as CCs to the midi > instrument. Just to be sure, I got it right: As the 01V actually is a MIDI device, the automation exampled would be adequate, if he wanted to automate the 01V. As he wants to use the 01V as an input device to control the internal mixer (and have automation feedback over 01V) this example isn't what he needs. (?) This still seems very similar to me. Am I wrong? Thomas

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Jaensch <georg.faustus@g...> wrote: > Just to be sure, I got it right: As the 01V actually is a MIDI > device, the automation exampled would be adequate, if he wanted to > automate the 01V. Yes, if you wanted to automate the 01V from the 01V (or from another controller), which seems a little pointless. Or perhaps if you wanted a custom environment with faders matching the 01V's to be recorded to track automation. To simply draw in track automation for CCs and send it to the 01V you wouldn't need the example anyway. > As he wants to use the 01V as an input device to control the > internal mixer (and have automation feedback over 01V) this example > isn't what he needs. (?) Correct. The example isn't for controlling the internal audio mixer (it's for midi tracks); doesn't do anything about converting control moves or automation (Fader events) on the internal audio mixer to CCs and sending them back to outboard gear; or about managing different "banks" or "presets" of control mappings, extracting current values and providing feedback to the appropriate 01V faders when you switch those - volume vs pan, or tracks 1-24 vs tracks 25-48, etc. It's a way trickier problem than it first sounds, especially if you want it to work with track automation. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------

> Correct. The example isn't for controlling the internal audio mixer > (it's for midi tracks); doesn't do anything about converting control > moves or automation (Fader events) on the internal audio mixer to CCs > and sending them back to outboard gear; or about managing different > "banks" or "presets" of control mappings, extracting current values > and providing feedback to the appropriate 01V faders when you switch > those - volume vs pan, or tracks 1-24 vs tracks 25-48, etc. It's a way > trickier problem than it first sounds, especially if you want it to > work with track automation. > > John Pitcairn John - forgive me for being naive, are the programs you suggested capable of letting me use the 01V to control the audio mixer in Logic? And if so, am I right in saying that they WONT give feedback to the desk, but DO have soft takeover? Thanks Gareth

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth Metcalf" <gareth@s...> wrote: > John - forgive me for being naive, are the programs you suggested > capable of letting me use the 01V to control the audio mixer in > Logic? > And if so, am I right in saying that they WONT give feedback to the > desk, but DO have soft takeover? I'm not astonishingly familiar with the 01V, but I gather it has a basic "remote" mode, where faders 1-16 send CC7 on channel 1-16, and some kind of "expert" mode where all faders are assignable, but you have to really get in there and setup each one in ugly raw hexadecimal midi notation. So let's assume we're talking "remote" mode here, for 16 channels of CC faders: CC-Rider is an older Logic environment that will let you map the 16 01V faders to Logic mixer controls in Logic 4.x. Automation is recordable as regular midi (old-style). I don't know if it was ever updated for Logic 5. From what I remember, it can provide midi feedback to the motorfaders, and I don't think it does soft takeover (not sure, it's been a while). I don't think it can access plugin parameters very reliably, mostly due to 4.x limitations. It takes some environment knowledge to set up. It is free. Fadermapper is a Logic environment that allows you to map up to 128 CC controls at once to just about any onscreen control in Logic, including plugins, in an easy "midi-learn" way. Soft takeover and value scaling is provided on all controls. Track Automation can be written and overwritten with soft takeover active. Lots of recallable banks are available, and there is a facility to step up/down the mixer channels. Fadermapper only works with Logic Gold/Platinum 5.x, and does not provide motorfader feedback. It's a big, complicated environment, takes some care to setup, requires plenty of RAM, but once setup and mapped in your autoload works pretty well. It's not a good thing for new users, or those with no environment ability. LC Xmu takes a different approach, providing Logic Control emulation via an external app (which greatly simplifies managing different songs compared to an environment solution), and provides soft takeover. It does not, at present, provide motorfader feedback. LC Xmu is Mac-only. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------- Logic Control emulation for generic midi controllers: LC Xmu demo: http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/ -------------------------------------------------------------