Hi, thanks for everyones help, as a MAC novice i have a few questions before i make the plunge... Are MAC's quite sensite like PCs with Ram...eg..if i want 2gb of ram and i buy a MAC with 512 in it...am i better taking that out and putting two sticks of 1gb ram in...or can i add a 1gb stick and another 512 (or 4x 512?) Ive just bought a new audio hard drive for my PC, all it contains are wav files, logic save files, and my sample library (a HUGE collection of samples, sample cds, etc, in various formats) can i take this out of my PC and fit it into the G5 to save me having to buy yet another new hard drive? Another question that probably people who read this won't know unless i repost under a different topic. In the latest version of Logic (and EXS) has they fixed the sample library limitation problem? I find this a huge mistake by Emagic, expecially when you have a massive sample Library like me...which is the whole basis of your system. To get around this i had to buy Kontakt to play my remaining sample libarys and CDs (which isn't great...but there are percs of having Kontakt) I don't want to have to buy it again for MAC so it would be great to know if this limitation is no more. Is there a list of things that you can do on a G5 Mac running the latest Logic and Panther versus what you can't on PC? I was suprised to read an article about Panther in this months sound on sound for it to say that the AKAI for the EXS24 convert doesn't work. Why is this? Are there any advantages to using Panther? I may avoid getting a MAC till all this new technology has ironed itself out...from what i see on the outside hardly anything works at the minute...developers are still catching up with OSX and half the plugins don't work in that...then theres this new AU format, now Panther...and for all these new things the music progs seem to be suffering. How do i go about networking my PC and MAC together? Does Logic still run VST's or does it only run Audio Units now? What are the advantages to AU...if any? If not why have they changed from VST? If anyone can think of anything else i should think about before i make the PC to Mac jump please let me know...i want to make sure i cover everything and can carry on working as normal after the switch... - Danny

Danny .S. wrote: > Ive just bought a new audio hard drive for my PC, can i take this > out of my PC and fit it into the G5 This was discussed on the list today. It has to be a S-ATA drive to go into a G5. > > Does Logic still run VST's or does it only run Audio Units now? > Not on OSX - AU only, or use the FXpansion wrapper, so long as the VST plugs are for OSX. > If anyone can think of anything else i should think about before i > make the PC to Mac jump please let me know I suggest you take a *good* look through the LUG archive, there have been literally hundreds of posts dealing with these various issues, the information is all there .... kind regards Mark Cahill

> Are MAC's quite sensite like PCs with Ram...eg..if i want 2gb of ram and i buy a MAC with 512 in it...am i better taking that out and putting two sticks of 1gb ram in...or can i add a 1gb stick and another 512 (or 4x 512?) You should be able to use the 512MB stick that comes with your G5 Mac, and then buy 3 additional 512MB sticks to get you to the 2 Ghz. Just make sure you buy from a dealer that knows you're installing the 3200PC SDRAM into a Mac G5. > Ive just bought a new audio hard drive for my PC, all it contains are wav files, logic save files, and my sample library (a HUGE collection of samples, sample cds, etc, in various formats) can i take this out of my PC and fit it into the G5 to save me having to buy yet another new hard drive? If you bought a brand new SATA drive, then yes. If not, you won't be able to use it. G5's are SATA only. You can also use FW 400 and FW 800 for inexpensive back-up or external recording drives. Can't help you much with the EXS, when comparing it to the PC version. EXS 24 should be able to do everything you want to do on a Mac G5. Kontakt should also work on your Mac, once you download the proper version for OS X. > How do i go about networking my PC and MAC together? I know you can run Gigasampler on a PC from a Mac, but as far as completely compatible networking for Music between PC and Mac, that can't be done with Logic AFAIK. > Does Logic still run VST's or does it only run Audio Units now? What are the advantages to AU...if any? If not why have they changed from VST? Audio Units are better sounding than VST, and you can manipulate the parameters more effectively. There are articles on the comparisons between AU and VST, if you do an internet search. AU is defintely the future of plug-ins. My AU plug-ins all perform flawlessly. FXpansion allows you to use VSTs with OS X, and it works perfectly. I use it for Battery and Autotune 3.25. > If anyone can think of anything else i should think about before i make the PC to Mac jump please let me know...i want to make sure i cover everything and can carry on working as normal after the switch... A search on this forum will discuss this better than I can in a few words. The G5 is a class act, and will only improve in the months and years to come. Cheers

jonathankek2000 wrote: > Audio Units are better sounding than VST Really? Interesting - would you care to elaborate? kind regards Mark cahill

> How do i go about networking my PC and MAC together? This is supposedly easier with OSX, though i havent tried as yet. >I know you can run Gigasampler on a PC from a Mac, but as far as >completely compatible networking for Music between PC and Mac, that >can't be done with Logic AFAIK. You sound a little confused. Gigasampler PCs are run like any other synth or outboard module in mac-based studios, i.e. over midi. Processor-sharing_should_be possible with VST plugs and FX Teleport, but the hornets nest awaiting scares me - AU-VST wrapper etc etc >Audio Units are better sounding than VST, and you can manipulate the >parameters more effectively. :-) Not true. >AU is defintely the future of plug-ins. :-) :-) Yes, on Logic. > If anyone can think of anything else i should think about before i >make the PC to Mac jump please let me know...i want to make sure i >cover everything and can carry on working as normal after the switch... Regardless of what anyone says a big transition like this is rarely painless and will take a lot longer than you think. Just plan ahead as much as poss. Adam

> > > How do i go about networking my PC and MAC together? > Make sure you have file sharing turned on. Do a get info on the drive you want to share (OSX I assume) and enable reading and writing for all. Do the same on the PC. In the networking control pannel, enable file sharing. Next, Right click on the drive or folder you want to share, in XP, go to the sharing tab and enable it to the degree you want. Hook them up via a network cable or router. In XP go to my network places under my computer, click on view workgroup computers and when the icon for the mac shows up, create a folder that you can just double click on to get through for the future. On the mac, open up the "go" menu item and navigate to the network and in a few seconds the PC will pop up in the file finder, double click, put in your password and that should do it. James

> Audio Units are better sounding than VST > > Really? Interesting - would you care to elaborate? > > kind regards > > Mark cahill Here's the discussion on the OS X Audio Forum that answers all the questions about AU vs VST on OS X. http://www.osxaudio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pE249#45249 Then, you can make your own decision. All I can say is that this thread convinced me, and I've had nothing but success with Audio Unit Plug-Ins and OS X. Cheers

> > Audio Units are better sounding than VST > > Really? Interesting - would you care to elaborate? > > kind regards > > Mark cahill --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "jonathankek2000" <jonathankek2000@y...> wrote: > Here's the discussion on the OS X Audio Forum that answers all the > questions about AU vs VST on OS X. > http://www.osxaudio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pE249#45249 > Then, you can make your own decision. Sorry... it has to be third party independent before I believe any more of the (insert computer company name here) hype. Besides the writer admits to being totally biased. And it says nothing at all about AUs aounding better. Hw

"jonathankek2000" <jonathankek2000@...> writes: > Audio Units are better sounding than VST, Wrong. There's nothing inherent in the AU spec which makes them sound magically better than the VST spec. >and you can manipulate the parameters more effectively Where did you hear this? There are many advantages to the AU spec, but this isn't one of them. One major advantage to the AU spec is that it is channel scalable. In other words, a programmer just needs to make one version and voila... you have mono, stereo and surround variations. With VST the programmer needs to make a different version for every amount of channels. So what ends up happening often is that you get ONLY a stereo version but when you instanciate it in mono you are really still using up the DSP horsepower that the stereo version hogged up. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!"

>One major advantage >to the AU spec is that it is channel scalable. In other >words, a programmer just needs to make one version >and voila... you have mono, stereo and surround variations. >With VST the programmer needs to make a different version >for every amount of channels. So what ends up happening often >is that you get ONLY a stereo version but when you instanciate >it in mono you are really still using up the DSP horsepower that >the stereo version hogged up. Yes this is a great feature of AU there is just one annoying thing and that is that a lot of makers still haven't taken advantage of it and are making plugins that only instanciate as mono->stereo or stereo.

>> How do i go about networking my PC and MAC together? > > This is supposedly easier with OSX, though i havent tried as yet. I'm doing it here every day. My G5 is talking very well with the XP pc's on my ether net LAN. It never worked with Jaguar but as soon as I got Panther the Mac took the plunge into the MS network. For details on setting things up, please see James Ryan's excellent post. -- Best wishes Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.looproom.com

>I'm doing it here every day. My G5 is talking very well with the XP pc's on >my ether net LAN. It never worked with Jaguar but as soon as I got Panther >the Mac took the plunge into the MS network. Good to know - thanks, Adam

On Jan 4, 2004, at 2:03 PM, jonathankek2000 wrote: > You should be able to use the 512MB stick that comes with your G5 Mac, > and then buy 3 additional 512MB sticks to get you to the 2 Ghz. Just > make sure you buy from a dealer that knows you're installing the > 3200PC SDRAM into a Mac G5. This is NOT accurate. With the G5, memory must be installed in pairs. A new "stock" G5 comes with a pair of 256 mb DIMMS. Stefan Garr

Hello, does anybody know how to install vst instruments (steinberg halion strings, d'cota, virtual guitar, the grand) under Panther on a G4 Powerbook? I have downloaded all recent updates already from the steinberg-website and followed the manual-instructions to place the vst-instruments in the "VSTPLUGINS" file in the same file where the logic programm is located, but the don't appear in logic. Please help! Thanx & Regards, guido

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Guido Herbel <guido@h...> wrote: > Hello, > > does anybody know how to install vst instruments (steinberg halion > strings, d'cota, virtual guitar, the grand) > under Panther on a G4 Powerbook? I have downloaded all recent updates > already from the steinberg-website and followed the manual-instructions > to place the vst-instruments in the "VSTPLUGINS" file in the same file > where the logic programm is located, but the don't appear in logic. > Please help! > > Thanx & Regards, guido Logic on OSX does not support the VST format. You'll need to convert them to Audio Units. You can buy this utility for that task: http://www.fxpansion.com/product-auadapter-main.php best, Jon

On a fine day, 04-01-2004, Danny .S. wrote: >Another question that probably people who read this won't know unless i >repost under a different topic. In the latest version of Logic (and EXS) has >they fixed the sample library limitation problem? Seems this is the last of your questions no-one has replied to yet :). The answer is no, the problem is still there. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra h @ k n o w a r e . n l Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

> You should be able to use the 512MB stick that comes with your G5 Mac, > > and then buy 3 additional 512MB sticks to get you to the 2 Ghz. Just > > make sure you buy from a dealer that knows you're installing the > > 3200PC SDRAM into a Mac G5. > > This is NOT accurate. With the G5, memory must be installed in pairs. > A new "stock" G5 comes with a pair of 256 mb DIMMS. > > Stefan Garr This is correct, if you're getting 2 sticks of 256MB from Apple. My math was right, but my application was wrong. So, you'd need one pair of the 512MB sticks and one more pair of the 256MB sticks to get yourself the 2 Gigs of SDRAM that you wanted. At that point you'd be using 6 of the 8 SDRAM slots on your G5. My personal decision was to buy 4 sticks of the 512MB 3200PC SDRAM for the G5, preinstalled. But, you WILL save money installing your own. Good Luck.

> > My personal decision was to buy 4 sticks of the 512MB 3200PC SDRAM > for the G5, preinstalled. But, you WILL save money installing your own. > > Good Luck. > I ordered my G5 from apple with 2 X 512mb in then ordered 6 X 512mb from http://www.transintl.com/ (use the drop down menu to find "Desktops" and in the page that comes up you'll se G5's) Best price I could find, past experience with them is superb (I've equipped 6 macs from these people!) and the quality and speed is second to none. I'm in the UK but I buy all my RAM mail order from these guys as it's cheaper and better than I can find in the UK. gareth