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From: mars@...
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 at 7:11:05 PM
Subject: re: [GEN] PT vs Logic, which sounds best...?
Message #153053
This has been discussed endlessly before - I've done numerous tests and can state that there is no difference in the basic sound of Logic vs ProTools, either TDM or native. In fact, once you compensate for differences in pan law implementation (Logic 0dB, PT 2.5dB, DP 3dB, Cubase/Nuendo/Samplitude - user-selectable), you can even phase-cancel between programs. However, once you start to use plug-ins, it's a different story. There are quality plugs available for PT only that simply have no VST equivalent - e.g McDSP, Bombfactory etc. I even prefer the basic PT EQ which I find sounds smoother that Logic's equivalent. Also, I fail to see what all the hoopla about Logic's new Channel EQ is about - still sounds harsh to my ears. Also nowhere close to Wave's Rennaisance EQ - one of the few digital EQs I can tolerate. I'm about to try the Sony Oxford EQ for my PT rig and will check out the Firium as well. Logic's dynamics plugs are excellent though. ars
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From: "Adam Pendse" <adampendse@...>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 at 7:58:34 AM
Subject: RE: [LUG] [GEN] PT vs Logic, which sounds best...?
Message #153078
This is a reply to #153053.
>This has been discussed endlessly before - I've done numerous tests and can state that there is no >difference in the basic sound of Logic vs ProTools, either TDM or native. In fact, once you compensate >for differences in pan law implementation (Logic 0dB, PT 2.5dB, DP 3dB, Cubase/Nuendo/Samplitude I have to take issue with that statement. You may be comparing single audio files against each other. Where the differences become pronounced is on mixdown, and this is very hard to test/prove etc. Pan law is totally important as you've pointed out, but there's a whole lot more going on behind the scenes. I can state that generally mixes i've made/heard sounded better if mixed in PT than in Logic. >However, once you start to use plug-ins, it's a different story. There are quality plugs available for >PT only that simply have no VST equivalent - e.g McDSP, Bombfactory etc. Untrue. Between the UAD and Powercore, high-end VST plugins comparable ( arguably better) to TDM have been available for years. Waves, PSP, Firium ;-), all available on good ol' VST. >I even prefer the basic PT EQ which I find sounds smoother that Logic's equivalent. >Also, I fail to see what all the hoopla about> Logic's new Channel EQ is about - still sounds harsh to >my ears. Also nowhere close to Wave's Rennaisance EQ - one of the few digital EQs I can tolerate. I'm >about to try the Sony Oxford EQ for my PT rig and will check out the Firium as well. Logic's dynamics >plugs are excellent though. Agreed. The Sony will knock you out :-) Adam
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