Hey guys . . . just wondering if anyone here had firsthand knowledge of how these to boxes match up to one another . . . They have very similar specs, on paper the echo unit has slightly more dynamic range . . . online reviews I have read of both units have been good. Though, I heard that the midi interface on the 1010 wouldn't pass MTC time code . . . I currently have the Roland Studio system with Logic Audio Platinum 5.1 for windows and am looking to upgrade. I use the midi interface on the Roland Digital mixer as my primary interface . . . it locks to midi time code just fine. Have I been misinformed? Which box sounds better? Any information you guys have will help me out alot. Thanks, Justin

On Dec 1, 2003, at 6:25 AM, drzayuss wrote: > Which box sounds better That question I can answer. The Layla. I'm not using it, but when I was shopping for a recording interface a few months ago, I bought and took home the 1010, the layla, Motu 828. Of those boxes, the Layla was far superior in sound. I would have purchased it except the software support in Mac OSX wasn't quite ready for primetime. I ended up with a Mobile IO by Metric halo. It's wonderful, but so far only available for the Mac. Anyway, the Layla 24 was very clean and transparent! Stefan

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "drzayuss" <drzayuss@h...> wrote: > Hey guys . . . just wondering if anyone here had firsthand knowledge of how these to boxes match up to one another . . . They have > very similar specs, on paper the echo unit has slightly more dynamic range . . . online reviews I have read of both units have been > good. Though, I heard that the midi interface on the 1010 wouldn't pass MTC time code . . . I currently have the Roland Studio system > with Logic Audio Platinum 5.1 for windows and am looking to upgrade. I use the midi interface on the Roland Digital mixer as my > primary interface . . . it locks to midi time code just fine. Have I been misinformed? Which box sounds better? Any information you > guys have will help me out alot. > > Thanks, > Justin FYI they BOTH sound very very close if not exactly the same as they are using the exact same A/D converters internally. There are other audio components of course, but in reality, everyone likes the sound of both units pretty much equally and they are definitely nice sounding. That being said, I have had nothing but problems with Echo products, including a Gina and a Layla myself. I will never buy anything from them again. I have friends who have experienced the same thing. On the other hand, I used to have a Delta1010 on my pc and it works flawlessly and sounded great. One bummer, it does not come with adat lightpipe as standard, you gotta pay extra for that. But its flawless. Other people I've talked to have had similar experiences. Regarding MIDI, neither of those two units have any MTS technology built inside, so they are not going to respond to CoreMidi timestamping. They will be as accurate as your mac will allow. I highly reccomend you spend the xtra bucks for a Unitor or AMT8 for your midi handling. cheers

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Schow" <steve@b...> wrote: > > That being said, I have had nothing but problems with Echo products, > including a Gina and a Layla myself. I will never buy anything from > them again. I have friends who have experienced the same thing. On > the other hand, I used to have a Delta1010 on my pc and it works > flawlessly and sounded great. while i have *not* used a Layla, i do own an Echo Mia and previously had a Darla. so i just wanted to chime in that i have *never* had any problems witheither of these cards in a pc, in any of the 4 years i've had them. and i've never heard of a single issue from the 3 other people i know who have Echo soundcards. soggy

supisuzoi <son_of_zoggs@...> wrote: >while i have *not* used a Layla, i do own an Echo Mia and previously >had a Darla. so i just wanted to chime in that i have *never* had >any problems witheither of these cards in a pc, in any of the 4 years >i've had them. and i've never heard of a single issue from the 3 other >people i know who have Echo soundcards. I use an echo Gina and it is horrible,constantly crashing under xp.It sounds fine,and had been stable under 98,but now it barely works at all.The machine will simply stop making sound,at totally arbitrary times,with no correlation with cpu-stressing audio loads or Logic AISO warnings,and without any indication or pre-crash symptoms.I will not consider Layla,though it has exactly the feature set I need,as I have no confidence whatever in Echo's ability to write xp drivers.The Mac may be a different story;caveat emptor.

> supisuzoi <son_of_zoggs@...> wrote: > > >while i have *not* used a Layla, i do own an Echo Mia and previously > >had a Darla. so i just wanted to chime in that i have *never* had > >any problems witheither of these cards in a pc, in any of the 4 years > >i've had them. and i've never heard of a single issue from the 3 other > >people i know who have Echo soundcards. > > > I use an echo Gina and it is horrible,constantly crashing under xp.It sounds fine,and had been stable under 98,but now it barely works at all.The machine will simply stop making sound,at totally arbitrary times,with no correlation with cpu-stressing audio loads or Logic AISO warnings,and without any indication or pre-crash symptoms.I will not consider Layla,though it has exactly the feature set I need,as I have no confidence whatever in Echo's ability to write xp drivers.The Mac may be a different story;caveat emptor. I think that is specific to your system. I use the Layla on multiple machines as well as Gina's for gigastudio systems (15 for clients so far) - none having any problem whatsoever - and this is spanning since the original gina20 came out.. from 98 to 2000 to XP. No Problems ever. Logic since v4 to the 5.5 platinum now. You may have a defective card - or maybe you should relook at your configuration. Neil

Neil P <cheezemachine@... wrote: >I think that is specific to your system. I use the Layla on multiple >machines as well as Gina's for gigastudio systems (15 for clients so far) - >none having any problem whatsoever - and this is spanning since the original >gina20 came out.. from 98 to 2000 to XP. No Problems ever. Logic since v4 >to the 5.5 platinum now. You may have a defective card - or maybe you >should relook at your configuration. In that case,I am very happy for you,no sarcasm intended.This illustrates my principle issue with computer technology in the studio in general,the lack of continuity of performance of the same gear in different people's rigs.The Logic list is full of this,some despising a plug-in or soundcard and others loving it,all using similar systems,and no discernable reason why it works for one and not the other.And in my case,a discontinuity of the soundcard's behavior literally from moment to moment. I doubt the card is defective as it did work perfectly under 98.As to configuration,I started this machine from a clean install of XP,and I have disabled Winows sounds so as not to have competition for the resources.I truly believe that it's the drivers.I am using the beta XP drivers for Gina 20 The point is moot.I need more inputs so the Gina is being replaced anyway,and I am building another machine as well,a P4.However,as I want to continue to use this present pc,P3 850 mhz as a stand-alone synth with Reason,VSampler and NI Carbon(brilliant freeware analog modeling) any light that could be shed on the issue would be appreciated so I can continue to use Gina for that mission. Thank you for your attention.It is certainly possible that it is excessive to generalize against Echo products across the board,but my testimony is true.Others have ranted against MOTU,for example,or the UAD card,while others swear by them.The fact that both are telling the truth is what frustrates me.I equate this dichotomy of experience with identical products under reasonably similar circumstances as a serious issue of reliabilty reflecting on the whole native DAW enterprise.I hate the time I have to spend hunting these conflicts down and the effort that goes into bug workarounds.(Snipped by Admin). I just want simplicity,and consistancy so that I can put the potential power of the computer based studio to musical use without a lot of hassle. John Gibson

> You may have a defective card - or maybe you > should relook at your configuration. > This is exactly the type of response that drove me and others crazy when we had our Echo product problems. We would try to get help and the only response from Echo or other people that apparantly had it working ok was to tell us that "our machine was not correctly configured"...we spent hours and hours and hours trying to figure out how to "configure it correctly". In contrast, I plugged in the Delta 1010, installed the driver and it worked flawlessly ever since. So maybe the echo stuff can work. Of course it must work for someone somewhere or they would be out of business. But I can say that I had nothing but problems with several of their products and won't buy or reccomend again. In contrast to the excellent results I had from Delta, I highly reccomend M-audio over Echo.