Ciao, Would our seasoned Logic veterans be able to offer any advice on elegant management of takes? I wish that Logic offered "explodable" (politically incorrect term, surely) takes, where one track could easily be expanded to show its component takes for easy comping, and then compacted again to visually occupy only a single track's space. I believe C****e has such an implementation? It seems that the closest option in Logic is either the use of Track Folders, or the use of the Hide function. Neither of these is ideal to me, as the Folder opens into another window, whereas I would like to see the takes in the context of the full song arrangement. The Hide function, on the other hand, hides and shows ALL hidden tracks at once, rather than those relating to a specific take set. Is there another approach within Logic? How do other users manage the inevitable track proliferation involved when recording multiple takes of many different performances? Thank you for any insight. Best, 3

> elegant management of takes? > see the takes in the context of the full song arrangement. You can create multiple tracks playing through the same Audio Track Object with the Create Track (key)command, so you can have all your takes spread out on as many tracks for comping. When you use the coolness of Cycle Record, that's where you start anyway. Once you're done with it (and *this* is more often the problem, make that damn decision and *move on*) you can pack all unused takes in a folder and mute that. You can even pack the 'unused guitars' and the 'unused vox' folders into the 'all unused takes' folder and move that down to the last track for convenience. Should you ever need to go back, you can either drag regions across windows, or Copy and Paste At Original Position. > Hide Hide has *no* relevance as far as audible oucome is concerned. A hidden track is just as audible as a visible one. Christian

Ciao, When nudging events in the Matrix editor, all visible events move, instead of just the selected events. Presumably this is not the way Nudge is supposed to work... Any advice on this? Thank you. Logic Audio Platinum Mac 6.3.2 OS 10.3.1 Panther Best, 3

Christian replied: > > > >...Once you're done with it (and *this* is more often the problem, make that >damn decision and *move on*) you can pack all unused takes in a folder and >mute that. You can even pack the 'unused guitars' and the 'unused vox' >folders into the 'all unused takes' folder and move that down to the last >track for convenience. >Should you ever need to go back, you can either drag regions across windows, >or Copy and Paste At Original Position. OK, will experiment further with this... > > Hide > >Hide has *no* relevance as far as audible oucome is concerned. A hidden >track is just as audible as a visible one. > Yes, understood. I meant that one could hide the (muted) unused takes and then unhide if one needs to go back to them. Thank you for the suggestions... Best, 3

> > elegant management of takes? >> see the takes in the context of the full song arrangement. > >You can create multiple tracks playing through the same Audio Track Object >with the Create Track (key)command, so you can have all your takes spread >out on as many tracks for comping. When you use the coolness of Cycle >Record, that's where you start anyway. >Once you're done with it (and *this* is more often the problem, make that >damn decision and *move on*) you can pack all unused takes in a folder and >mute that. You can even pack the 'unused guitars' and the 'unused vox' >folders into the 'all unused takes' folder and move that down to the last >track for convenience. >Should you ever need to go back, you can either drag regions across windows, >or Copy and Paste At Original Position. Yes. But I thought Zenon had a magnificent idea. Much cooler and more specific than what folders do and without the icky mess that folders cause.

> I thought Zenon had a magnificent idea. Right. We discussed this very idea (folders with a Finder-style triangle on the left) on this list years ago, and we ran into display inconsistencies when folders on the same track but containing different track lists are opened simultaneously. Christian

> > I thought Zenon had a magnificent idea. > >Right. We discussed this very idea (folders with a Finder-style triangle on >the left) on this list years ago, and we ran into display inconsistencies >when folders on the same track but containing different track lists are >opened simultaneously. Hmmm the implementation I imagined when I is not what you are describing. My take on it would go more like this: how about if tracks (sub tracks) that shared a given channel were automatically grouped together in the arrange and there was a drop down arrow in the top or "super-track" so that you could either expand the super-track and see all the regions in the "sub-tracks" or collapse the super-track and see only the sounding portions of the active regions from each of the sub-tracks. If you recorded a new region to a track while the arrow was in the collapsed position the region would automatically get added to a new automatically created "sub track" that you would be able to see when the "super-track" was in explode mode.

I know this is not what you are looking for, I am just offering an alternative view on how you could circumvent the dilemma in a productive way: when tracking I like to mixdown my whole backing track as a rough mix (maybe 1-2 alternative versions with one instrument that might get a singer irritated at first), then open a new song where I import the stereo file. then I record the new material, be it singer or instruments. this gives me a whole song that does nothing but the vocal tracking. No extra plugins, no audio instruments, no screen clutter in the arrange window and (in my pre-G5 days): a lot less CPU used for the backing music... to get the freshly recorded audio back into the main project, you need to bounce it to disk. If you are sure about the result, you could bounce it (i.e. all vocals) to a stereo track, or you could bounce all tracks as they are edited, eq'd and compressed individually. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- canine_at_waf80_dot_de good night europe. <your name here> http://kainiggemann.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------