Dennis Gunn <dennis@...> writes: > I find I can make completely new > grooves out of canned beets just messing around with the decay shape > of the resonance filter. Seriously? I mean, I knew that people were doing this with carrots and broccoli, but with beets, too?!? ;) Ok, being on topic, I couldn't agree with you more. The reason this is called "space designer" instead of simple "SampleVerb" or the like is that you can really use convolution algorithms with nearly anything, and use the filters to completely tweak things out. Not only can you completely regroove something by using an IR from inside a sewer and tweaking the filter, but you can also get some "bitcrushing" effects by lowering the sample rate, etc. This is really an amazing sound effects processor, far more than a simple "room simulator" or "echo builder" and I hope that people realize that. Orren

Hi, On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 12:45 PM, Orren Merton wrote: > This is really an amazing sound effects processor, far > more than a simple "room simulator" or "echo builder" and I hope that > people > realize that. > The other thing too is that it uses quite a bit less CPU than Altiverb. Altiverb, on low latency mode, takes up a good 70% of my Powerbook's CPU while SD takes about 25-30%. I was really impressed with that. Fernstudio

Am 04.10.2003 21:45 Uhr schrieb orren@...: > This is really an amazing sound effects processor, far > more than a simple "room simulator" or "echo builder" and I hope that people > realize that. But, even if it sounds like a Lexicon 960 with the proper IRs, it is useless for a lot of purposes as long as we don't have real stereo aux sends in Logic... Just my 2 cent... Best, Helge

At 22:50 +0200 03.10.4, HD wrote: >But, even if it sounds like a Lexicon 960 with the proper IRs, it is useless >for a lot of purposes as long as we don't have real stereo aux sends in >Logic... I can't agree more. Stereo reverb should be given stereo input signals. It makes a HUGE difference. -- ******************************************* KONDO Tatsuo (Kondo is my family name) website: http://www.netlaputa.ne.jp/~kndt

>At 22:50 +0200 03.10.4, HD wrote: >>But, even if it sounds like a Lexicon 960 with the proper IRs, it is useless >>for a lot of purposes as long as we don't have real stereo aux sends in > >Logic... Sore de Kondo Tatsuo kotaite: >I can't agree more. > >Stereo reverb should be given stereo input signals. >It makes a HUGE difference. Hello Dai chan! I am trying to figure out what you guys are talking about. The busses *are* stereo as far as I can tell. So is the reverb. I did this test. I put a stereo file with a signal that was much louder on the right than the left in a stereo track. I used a send to send via a bus to an aux object. The stereo image in the aux object was exactly the same as it was in the original track object. I then used a send to send from the first aux to a second aux. Same result, the stereo image was still perfectly intact. Then I put a space designer in the aux object and used a gainer plug to swap sides back and forth as I listened, again the stereo image very obviously switched back and forth. As near as I can tell the busses are totally stereo. What am I missing?

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Gunn <dennis@s...> wrote: > > I am trying to figure out what you guys are talking about. The > busses *are* stereo as far as I can tell. So is the reverb. > > I did this test. I put a stereo file with a signal that was much > louder on the right than the left in a stereo track. I used a send to > send via a bus to an aux object. The stereo image in the aux object > was exactly the same as it was in the original track object. Hi Dennis Do you have Universal Track Mode switched on or off? At least in Logic 5.5.1, with UTM on, track aux sends cannot be switched between mono and stereo. Switch off UTM, then you have the option. I wonder if this is different in Logic 6? kind regards Mark Cahill

>Hi Dennis > >Do you have Universal Track Mode switched on or off? At least in >Logic 5.5.1, with UTM on, track aux sends cannot be switched between >mono and stereo. Switch off UTM, then you have the option. I wonder >if this is different in Logic 6? > >kind regards > >Mark Cahill I always have UTM on. I don't know about switching between busses between mono and stereo. The just appear as numbered busses, I think the mono or stereoness of them is probably determined by the sources and destinations.

>>Hi Dennis >> >>Do you have Universal Track Mode switched on or off? At least in >>Logic 5.5.1, with UTM on, track aux sends cannot be switched between >>mono and stereo. Switch off UTM, then you have the option. I wonder >>if this is different in Logic 6? >> >>kind regards >> >>Mark Cahill > >I always have UTM on. I don't know about switching between busses >between mono and stereo. The just appear as numbered busses, I think >the mono or stereoness of them is probably determined by the sources >and destinations. Buses can be switched between mono and stereo on either the Bus or Aux object. When you do so on the Bus object the channels are combined into a mono signal which seems to be sent on the left channel of the stereo bus. When you do so on the Aux object it looks like only the left channel is processed. If you have both a bus and aux object for the same bus the bus object comes first. All sends are pre-pan. I think the only difference UTM makes is when it's off you can have separate sends for each side of the stereo image. Len www.Swiftkick.com

>>> Hi Dennis >>> >>> Do you have Universal Track Mode switched on or off? At least in >>> Logic 5.5.1, with UTM on, track aux sends cannot be switched between >>> mono and stereo. Switch off UTM, then you have the option. I wonder >>> if this is different in Logic 6? >>> >>> kind regards >>> >>> Mark Cahill >> >> I always have UTM on. I don't know about switching between busses >> between mono and stereo. The just appear as numbered busses, I think >> the mono or stereoness of them is probably determined by the sources >> and destinations. > > Buses can be switched between mono and stereo on either the Bus or > Aux object. When you do so on the Bus object the channels are > combined into a mono signal which seems to be sent on the left > channel of the stereo bus. When you do so on the Aux object it looks > like only the left channel is processed. If you have both a bus and > aux object for the same bus the bus object comes first. All sends are > pre-pan. I think the only difference UTM makes is when it's off you > can have separate sends for each side of the stereo image. > > Len > www.Swiftkick.com > I am kind of new to logic (recent DP convert), I just stayed up till 3am last night trying to work this thing out. As far as i can tell with UTM on sends have no panning information. You can call them stereo or mono but whatever information you send with them gets stuck in the middle. Switch off UTM and you get real Stereo busses, as in bus 1-2, bus 3-4, etc. You can pick either mono send (1 or 2) or stereo send (1 and 2). Therefore, and please correct me if I am wrong, unless you want summed mono sends for your busses, (and I am not sure why you would ever really want them), turn off UTM. DP CONVERTS: Turning off UTM will give you the type of bussing you are used to. -Chris

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris <crossow@m...> wrote: > Switch off UTM and you get real Stereo busses, as in bus 1-2, bus 3- 4, > etc. You can pick > either mono send (1 or 2) or stereo send (1 and 2). > > Therefore, and please correct me if I am wrong, unless you want summed > mono sends for > your busses, (and I am not sure why you would ever really want them), > turn off UTM. That is the way it works for me, and I regard it as a major weakness in Logics' audio environment. You need to turn off UTM to use any true stereo external effect fully, for example. I would be very interested to know if this changes ( I guess, if Chris is new to logic, then he is using rev. 6.xx, and the UTM thing is still there). Switching off UTM unfortunately knocks some other functions in the audio environment on the head, like, only aux object one has a stereo button, all others are mono only :-(( kind regards Mark Cahill