On Sunday, Jun 1, 2003, at 22:45 Europe/London, music-pro wrote: > Greetings Gilles: > > I have a question about your note below: > >> However, the main difference >> I experience from mixes I do in Logic compared to mixes in nice >> studios is >> that they lack a certain amount of depth & stereo imaging. You can't >> really >> say what's different, but it's just 'warmer, bigger, etc' but the >> difference >> is quite subtle & I guess most people wouldn't even hear it. > > I've been using Logic with ProTools for years, but I have little > experience > with Logic/native or ProTools software. > > Have you noticed the same difference between mixing in Logic/native > with > something like a MOTU 828 or other MOTU interface, mixing in Logic > using > ProTools hardware, or mixing in ProTools software with ProTools > harware? Somehow I always have the feeling that when using Logic & mixing internally, the sound doesn't have the same depth, but I would not really expect that either: You can't really expect a £700 software & maybe Waves/ Bombfactory, etc Plug Ins to have the same depth than an Neve Desk, Pultec EQs & Comps, etc I also have to say that I don't like ProTools Converters (that is the 888s, the new HD converters actually impressed me!). We also once did a listening test in the studio & using Logic native vs. on PT TDM hardware, seemed to sound better. We thought this might be due to the fact that Logic is calculating with floating point, whereas PT uses fixed Point (limitation of the hardware). The difference was very subtle & quite subjective I'd say & I'm sure some people would not agree. This was a PT Mix system, I didn't do that test with an HD system. The effect became more noticeable the more effects you used (i.e. Logic having a better/nicer sound than ProTools). That said however: the difference is subtle & I guess 95-99% of people will not notice this. I also think you will most notice it on a good system (good speakers, good amp, etc). Maybe I'm a bit anal about this, but I just LOVE a great deep sound, where you have the feeling that you sit within the music & not in front of speakers ;-)) Cheers, Gilles P.S: One evening in the studio we listened to Lenny Kravitz Best of & 90% of the time we could hear whether it was recorded/mixed on analog or digital!!! (Please don't kill me know, I DEFINITELY DON"T want to start a discussion analog vs. digital...) Gilles Ruppert gilles@... www.latower.com __ Gilles Ruppert gilles@... www.latower.com

Gilles Ruppert wrote: > P.S: One evening in the studio we listened to Lenny Kravitz Best of & > 90% of the time we could hear whether it was recorded/mixed on analog > or digital!!! (Please don't kill me know, I DEFINITELY DON"T want to > start a discussion analog vs. digital...) Did you have your conclusions confirmed? Gert www.waveworld.tv

On Wednesday, Jun 4, 2003, at 20:44 Europe/London, Gert van Santen wrote: > Gilles Ruppert wrote: > >> P.S: One evening in the studio we listened to Lenny Kravitz Best of & >> 90% of the time we could hear whether it was recorded/mixed on analog >> or digital!!! (Please don't kill me know, I DEFINITELY DON"T want to >> start a discussion analog vs. digital...) > > Did you have your conclusions confirmed? yes cheers, Gilles __ Gilles Ruppert gilles@... www.latower.com