Dear LUGger ! Let's please drop this thread as IMO all parties have made their point quite clear. As it is right now we are on a philosophical discussion which method of counting is more valid (which IMO is a totally invalid question). In the past we always agreed that one of Logic's strengths are the many different ways to achieve a particular goal. So why is anybody agree when there are some users that request an _additional_ feature (not a replacement) ? Just because some won't consider an option valueable it still can be rather desireable for others. Why take it away from them ??? Peace, Michael -- Vote against SPAM - see http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ Michael Gerdau email: mgd@... WOODEN STICK 9x - For propping open your Windows PGP-keys available on request or at public keyserver