Hi again, almost answering my own email here... 8(I) I just been trying out the Renn Pack from Waves, also the Restoration Pack (it came in handy for something I may do 1 or 2X a year so can't see the value in buying) ....But.... When I plugged in the Ren Reverb.......boy what a nice sounding verb... It's almost dangerous for us small budget players to listen to these demos. Looks like I'll have to go sell my body somewhere and make some quick cash. So why after using these quality plugins do (no offence meant) Logic processors sound so crappy? Or have I been spoilt with years of recording in top flight studios in Australia? How is it some companies can make algorithms sound better than others? Will Logic make better sounding plugins? Or will they just concentrate on make a great recording program? It is great to have a suite of useful processors to get you started but seriously, for professional sound applications, I personally would not use them........... ....What do you think? Are these extra bits just filler to you? I personally think that the basic Logic Program and the EX24 are great. I don't think too much of the built in Synths, ES1, ES2, EME, ESM, ESP and the others that represent a replica of sounds, clavinet, piano, organ, I suppose are useful to those that need them. I use the Absynth, ReFX Beast & Plasticz and mostly samples and always struggle to get a decent bass sound, perhaps that's because I'm a bass player of 30years and fussy. Anyway I know a lot of this falls outside of technical issues to do with using logic, but technical issues are solvable. In the area of great sound it is always a grey area that¹s very much influenced by your own personal experience and professional taste. It would be interesting to hear replies on this from Professional Studio guys and Home Studio guys. Midimantra Xcelmusic

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Paul Abrahams <xcelmusic@b...> wrote: > So why after using these quality plugins do (no offence meant) Logic > processors sound so crappy? Or have I been spoilt with years of > recording in top flight studios in Australia? If you gave a skilled engineer and producer nothing but Logic, its internal synths, internal plug ins, with great converters, mics and preamps the level of quality would match the level of quality you could achieve on any system in the world. There is nothing wrong with Logic's effects as they do exactly what they claim. Thats a fact. Also, if you're a bass player, go to www.yellowtools.com. Keep an eye out for Majestic E-Basses. Sincerely, Ken

> If you gave a skilled engineer and producer nothing but Logic, its > internal synths, internal plug ins, with great converters, mics and > preamps the level of quality would match the level of quality you > could achieve on any system in the world. There is nothing wrong with > Logic's effects as they do exactly what they claim. Thats a fact. I disagree. Logics reverb is shit, and the Fat EQ, and the compressor. The phaser isn't really useable. Waves REN verb is a big improvement IMHO. Waves eq and compression way nicer too. I haven't tryed all the other plugs yet.

Dont feed the trolls....

On 4/2/03 9:49 PM, "Paul Abrahams" <xcelmusic@...> wrote: > I just been trying out the Renn Pack from Waves, also the Restoration Pack > (it came in handy for something I may do 1 or 2X a year so can't see the > value in buying) ....But.... When I plugged in the Ren Reverb.......boy > what a nice sounding verb... <snip> The Waves plugs are very nice indeed. That's because it's their specialty, not Emagic's. I've tried doing the same type of work with Logic plugs, but after spending quite a bit of time trying to set up Logic's plugs to sound like the Waves plugs sounded, I concluded it was not worth the time. Not that you can't get a good sound with Logic's plugs, but but the Waves plugs get you to a good sound very fast. If you're a bass player I think you'd prefer Renn Bass over logic's compressor when trying to get a good bass sound, yes? Eric

> The Waves plugs are very nice indeed. That's because it's their > specialty, not Emagic's. I've tried doing the same type of work > with Logic plugs, but after spending quite a bit of time trying > to set up Logic's plugs to sound like the Waves plugs sounded, > I concluded it was not worth the time. Not that you can't get a > good sound with Logic's plugs, but but the Waves plugs get you > to a good sound very fast. Emagic don't have a great compressor yet, but in my opinion, their new v6 Channel EQ is world class. Also the tape delay continues to get about 5-10 instances in every song - a unique plug. I also love the E-magic distortions. Malcolm

> Hi again, almost answering my own email here... 8(I) > Are these extra bits just filler to you? > I personally think that the basic Logic Program and the EX24 are great. > I don't think too much of the built in Synths, ES1, ES2, EME, ESM, ESP and > the others that represent a replica of sounds, clavinet, piano, organ, I > suppose are useful to those that need them. > It would be interesting to hear replies on this from Professional Studio > guys and Home Studio guys. Hi, I would classify myself as a home studio guy - in practice for about 3 years. As far a logics plugs go, I use them for a certain sound, but if i can use renverb, I do-normally on a bus for vocals and maybe a little on the drums. Sometimes I use a little goldverb for guitars as well. RCL is the best comp i've heard and kicks the logic compressor. I always had problems getting a good snare in a mix until RCL. Tape delay is in constant use here. I do like the logic instruments for some things - evp88 is good if you put some effects on it - ES2 is good for techno basses. sam

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, roman pirie <romanp@x> wrote: > I disagree. Logics reverb is shit, and the Fat EQ, and the compressor. The > phaser isn't really useable. Waves REN verb is a big improvement IMHO. Waves > eq and compression way nicer too. > I haven't tryed all the other plugs yet. Waves REN verb is very thick. I rarely hear reverbs on records that sound so thick anymore. The way I work, all I really need is a high quality EQ because I usually use it in conjunction with the rest of my effects, especially when it comes to compressing vocals. Thats the way I was trained so I do what I know how. I don't know if you're a Mac User but if so, try the Channel EQ in Logic 6 and the Apple AU Reverb(surprisingly). As for the phaser, again, it does what it claims to do. Perhaps your problem is that you're relying on presets. Thats something Emagic shortchanged on in comparison to the other effects designers. However, its not a problem if you know what sound you are looking for and you spend some time to understand all of the parameters. They work for me and my ears but for you maybe they don't and I respect that. Sincerely, Ken

The Project Manager finds all my Plug-In Settings files for Emagic plugins, but NONE of the settings for third party Instruments or VST plugins of any kind. (obviously, the file types are correct as they were created in Logic) In fact, the browser on the left shows only native plug-in folders and none of the other folders (eg Atmosphere, FM7, Absynth etc etc) Has anyone else experienced this? If this can be verified, I'll do a bug report. Regards - Colin PS - Apart from this problem (so far), the Project manager is *awesome*

On 4/3/03 9:42 AM, "mpmusicny2" <alt@...> wrote: >> The Waves plugs are very nice indeed. That's because it's their >> specialty, not Emagic's. I've tried doing the same type of work >> with Logic plugs, but after spending quite a bit of time trying >> to set up Logic's plugs to sound like the Waves plugs sounded, >> I concluded it was not worth the time. Not that you can't get a >> good sound with Logic's plugs, but but the Waves plugs get you >> to a good sound very fast. > > > Emagic don't have a great compressor yet, but in my opinion, > their new v6 Channel EQ is world class. Also the tape delay > continues to get about 5-10 instances in every song - a unique > plug. I also love the E-magic distortions. As for reverb, I love Waves, but I also like EnVerb very much :)! Logic's Stereo delay is essential. There is great stuff under the Logic menu, but compression and EQ still belong to Waves - until Emagic proves me wrong with v6. But they can't cause they STILL HAVEN'T DELIVERED THE DAMN THING!!! Anyway, Eric