I've just started using Logic on a Powerbook and an 828. I bought Logic for its midi capabilities, thinking I could do everything on it. But now i am missing protools and its audio editing facilities. I know logic 6 is supposed to address some of these audio issues, but it is still nowhere near what protools can do, right? So my question is: Is it possible to run Logic with the 828 (firewire) and also Protools LE with an MBox (USB) on the same Powerbook at the same time . . .. ? What are my options? Can protools run with the 828 if the mbox is at least plugged in? Will Logic 6 run with the Mbox? Ideas, answers, thoguhts!!! Please. Is it possible to slave ProTools to Logic, or vice cersa, so I can use both at the same time? Does anyone else use both and have an effective way of working? If ther eis a way to make this work, I woudl be running PT on the MBox.

> I've just started using Logic on a Powerbook and an 828. I > bought Logic for its midi capabilities, thinking I could do > everything on it. But now i am missing protools and its audio > editing facilities. > > I know logic 6 is supposed to address some of these audio > issues, but it is still nowhere near what protools can do, right? > For a long time, I've been eager to find out what it is that ProTools can do that Logic can't. I did a 23 hour mix at a SONY's NYC studio with a senior ProTools engineer, watched his every move, and in that entire time I did not witness one thing that he did that I could not do in Logic at least as fast if not faster. He had stopped using Logic at home because he "couldn't do certain kinds of editing as fast or in some cases at all." As he performed each audio function, I told him how Logic handles the task, and in most cases he wasn't even aware that Logic had that feature. He was very impressed and vowed to go back and revisit Logic to give it a second shot. Logic is a VERY deep program, and even simple things don't necessarily jump out at you when you first sit down and use it. For instance, he wasn't aware that you could hit Escape and have the tool palate appear at the mouse arrow. That alone was a killer time saver, watching him continually go up to the menu bar, grab a tool, do the function, back to the menu bar, cancel the edit mode, grab another tool....ad nauseum. My arm was getting sore just watching him Granted the Logic manual is not the best, but it really is required reading to master Logic. There are so many incredible features and tools that you may never find otherwise. No, I do not work for Emagic. I'm just a ten year plus user and a huge fan! JR

On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 10:28 AM, James Ryan wrote: > For a long time, I've been eager to find out what it is that ProTools > can do that Logic can't. I did a 23 hour mix at a SONY's NYC studio > with a senior ProTools engineer, watched his every move, and in that > entire time I did not witness one thing that he did that I could not do > in Logic at least as fast if not faster. He had stopped using Logic at > home because he "couldn't do certain kinds of editing as fast or in some > cases at all." As he performed each audio function, I told him how > Logic handles the task, and in most cases he wasn't even aware that > Logic had that feature. He was very impressed and vowed to go back and > revisit Logic to give it a second shot. can you line up two audio tracks with sample accuracy in the Logic arrange window? (see my post from yesterday, to which no one has responded yet: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/message/134507) -jamie forrest

On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 09:29 AM, Jamie Forrest wrote: > can you line up two audio tracks with sample accuracy in the Logic > arrange window? (see my post from yesterday, to which no one has > responded yet: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/message/134507) > > -jamie forrest there is a fairly exhaustive discussion of this here: http://community.sonikmatter.com/emagic/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f1;t00 20 Todd

At 10:28 AM 3/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: >For a long time, I've been eager to find out what it is that ProTools >can do that Logic can't. I did a 23 hour mix at a SONY's NYC studio >with a senior ProTools engineer, watched his every move, and in that >entire time I did not witness one thing that he did that I could not do >in Logic at least as fast if not faster. How about beat detective. How about sample accuracy editing in arrange. Time stretching in arrange is a big one for me. Using tab to transients makes editing drums much quicker. The ability PT has to build a tempo track around existing audio is much faster (just tab to a drum hit and create a beat marker). I could go on and on. While anything can also be done in Logic, it's still a ways away from being as fast as PT in audio editing in a lot of areas. I think its well on its way though. Also just because a guy is senior PT engineer at Sony may not mean as much as it sounds like (Was it Dan?). The better guys are going to be the freelance engineers, not in house (that's just a generalization). He may likely not also know a lot of the shortcuts in PT either (especially if he doesn't know the escape key in logic, the most primary key comand). And while I am sure you could do your editing in Logic faster than he could in PT, I also bet that if you knew PT as well as Logic, you could work even faster than you can now. This also only applies to audio as MIDI in PT is really slow and cumbersome. The new Marquee tool will bridge the gap drastically, now if it could just be made to work with record as well (ie highlight a word and automatically use that as an auto-drop). Nothing makes it a better program as far as personal taste, but there are many procedures that have less steps involved than logic which still equates to less time no matter how fast you are. As long as you are comfortable with Logic, I wouldn't worry about what anyone else says. Colin Miller

> can you line up two audio tracks with sample accuracy in the Logic > arrange window? (see my post from yesterday, to which no one has > responded yet: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/message/134507) > > -jamie forrest > Sample accurate I'm not sure, but maybe. If you open the event edit window, your audio objects in question will have exact addresses. If you copy the address of the reference object, then double click the address of the second object, and paste it the previous object's address, the second object jumps to the identical address of the reference object. Whether this is sample accurate or not would have to be answered by Emagic tech support. Shoot them out an email (support@...) and they will answer usually in twenty-four hours. If you want to test it, take an audio object and copy it. Then randomly move the two objects to new different locations with the mouse. Use one as the reference, copy it's address and paste it into the address slot of the second object and hit play. If they are not sample accurate you will hear some phasing. If they are, you will hear a clear mono (or stereo if the file is stereo) sound with no artifacts. Use a long object, maybe thirty seconds or more to test it fully. Let me know if it works. James

Hi there, On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 05:09 AM, Todd Richmond wrote: > On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 09:29 AM, Jamie Forrest wrote: >> can you line up two audio tracks with sample accuracy in the Logic >> arrange window? (see my post from yesterday, to which no one has >> responded yet: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/message/134507) >> >> -jamie forrest > > there is a fairly exhaustive discussion of this here: > > http://community.sonikmatter.com/emagic/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f1; > t0020 Exhausting yes - but that's because a number of posters are off the beatin' track... with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...

>> can you line up two audio tracks with sample accuracy in the Logic >> arrange window? (see my post from yesterday, to which no one has >> responded yet: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/message/134507) >> -jamie forrest On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 04:55 PM, James Ryan wrote: > Sample accurate I'm not sure, but maybe. If you open the event edit > window, your audio objects in question will have exact addresses. If > you copy the address of the reference object, then double click the > address of the second object, and paste it the previous object's > address, the second object jumps to the identical address of the > reference object. Whether this is sample accurate or not would have to > be answered by Emagic tech support. Shoot them out an email > (support@...) and they will answer usually in twenty-four > hours. i will try this out, but this assumes that the two regions start at the same exact point. if they don't then just lining up their start points won't sync them up. -jamie

Hi, On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 01:55 PM, James Ryan wrote: > Sample accurate I'm not sure, but maybe. If you open the event edit > window, your audio objects in question will have exact addresses. If > you copy the address of the reference object, then double click the > address of the second object, and paste it the previous object's > address, the second object jumps to the identical address of the > reference object. Whether this is sample accurate or not would have to > be answered by Emagic tech support. Shoot them out an email > (support@...) and they will answer usually in twenty-four > hours. > This is *not* sample-accurate. The objects will be at the exact same location but that is *only* because the reference object is aligned on a "tick". You're able to move it back and forth by a number of ticks but not by a bunch of samples. If it is an audio region, you can move it by a number of samples if you open up the sample editor. You cannot move it by a number of samples on the arrange window. There was a discussion awhile ago on this when it first came out that Logic 6 had sample-accurate display on of audio on the arrange window. The explanations were much better than I have explained here I think. Fernstudio