> > Also, Lynx makes some of the highest quality soundcards on the market. > > Sincerely, > > Ken > > That might be a reason... :-) > > But I still think the different drivers is an important factor when > you discuss how different DAWs "sound". Even with the same card! While working on a friend's Digi 001 system, I discovered that the mixes sounded different when played back with Adaptec Jam, Toast or iTunes as opposed to what I was hearing in Logic. The only explanation I could think of was, when in Logic it was using the Direct I/O driver but the other programs used some form of SoundManage. Previously, I had read posts on various forums with users complaining of this very issue but I dismissed it because I had never experienced this with my MOTU system. Mars

Try A/Bing Quicktime & iTunes. Radical difference! Clive Young

> > But I still think the different drivers is an important factor when > > you discuss how different DAWs "sound". > > Even with the same card! While working on a friend's Digi 001 > system, I discovered that the mixes sounded different when > played back with Adaptec Jam, Toast or iTunes as opposed to > what I was hearing in Logic. The only explanation I could > think of was, when in Logic it was using the Direct I/O > driver but the other programs used some form of SoundManage. /// > > Mars This might also be due to Logic dithering the bounced file to 16 bits after saving the file in the bounce process. What you are "hearing in Logic" is digital audio processed in 24 bits. But if you are talking about Toast, iTunes and Jam playing back 24 bit bounced files that "sound different" I have not the slightest clue... Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival

Hi there, On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 04:00 PM, Clive Young wrote: > Try A/Bing Quicktime & iTunes. Radical difference! <grin> You might want to check what settings you have in iTunes before doing an a/b... with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Per Boysen" <per@b...> wrote: > This might also be due to Logic dithering the bounced file to 16 bits > after saving the file in the bounce process. What you are "hearing in > Logic" is digital audio processed in 24 bits. But if you are talking > about Toast, iTunes and Jam playing back 24 bit bounced files that > "sound different" I have not the slightest clue... Well, this may be of no solace to Windows Users but a guy at the sonikmatter.com forum swears that Logic 6 sounds much better than Logic 5.5 in terms of depth and imaging. Sincerely, Ken

>>> But I still think the different drivers is an important factor when >>> you discuss how different DAWs "sound". >> >> Even with the same card! While working on a friend's Digi 001 >> system, I discovered that the mixes sounded different when >> played back with Adaptec Jam, Toast or iTunes as opposed to >> what I was hearing in Logic. The only explanation I could >> think of was, when in Logic it was using the Direct I/O >> driver but the other programs used some form of SoundManage. i noticed the difference in sound with my tdm hardware between logic and protools. logic is thin and a the mids are less clear. protools is very well defined the bass is tight and the highs are smoother. ive heard people say theyve heard people say just the opposite,that they thought logic sounded better than protools. maybe its just the sound we prefer that makes us like one more than the other. i wish i liked the sound of logic better because it would make my life easier than having to export omf,s to mix and if someone can think of something that is causing logic to not sound like protools im all ears. mike v.

From: "mvangen" <mikvhsd@...> > i noticed the difference in sound with my tdm hardware between logic and > protools. > logic is thin and a the mids are less clear. > protools is very well defined the bass is tight and the highs are smoother. > ive heard people say theyve heard people say just the opposite,that they > thought logic sounded better than protools. > maybe its just the sound we prefer that makes us like one more than the > other. > i wish i liked the sound of logic better because it would make my life > easier than having to export omf,s to mix and if someone can think of > something that is causing logic to not sound like protools im all ears. > > mike v. Interesting. I wouldn´t say either sounds better, but to me ProTools software sounds clearer than Logic, which sounds a bit muddier in the 150-350Hz region. Some people define this as "warmer"... Both TDM. Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

> > i wish i liked the sound of logic better because it would make my life > > easier than having to export omf,s to mix and if someone can think of > > something that is causing logic to not sound like protools im all ears. > > > > mike v. > > Interesting. > I wouldn´t say either sounds better, but to me ProTools software sounds > clearer than Logic, which sounds a bit muddier in the 150-350Hz region. Some > people define this as "warmer"... > Both TDM. I find this interesting too...but how could this be possible from a technical standpoint ? Both are using the DAE which handles the audio and summing etc....the audio isn't playing through Logic. I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong here. I'm just curious about any factors that could cause this... Danny

From: "dp9119" <dp19@...> >> Interesting. >> I wouldn´t say either sounds better, but to me ProTools software sounds >> clearer than Logic, which sounds a bit muddier in the 150-350Hz region. Some >> people define this as "warmer"... >> Both TDM. > > I find this interesting too...but how could this be possible from a > technical standpoint ? > Both are using the DAE which handles the audio and summing > etc....the audio isn't playing through Logic. > I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong here. I'm just curious > about any factors that could cause this... > Danny Yes, me too. Could there be any program internal sync/clocking differences? There _are_ some things that differ IMO (editable panning resolution e.g.) quantization of parameters (volume, plug-ins, ...), but the sound quality difference smells more like clocking (can a software produce more jitter than another, anybody able to measure this? Can a software produce jitter at all or is this down to the converter/clock - which is the same in both progs...). Are there overlays to using DAE in both programs which can cause the difference? AFAIK (haven´t tested myself) "identical" mixes done in either program (levels all at 0db, hard panned, no plug-ins etc.) cancel out digitally. Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

Peter writes > Could there be any program internal sync/clocking differences? > There _are_ some things that differ IMO (editable panning resolution e.g.) > quantization of parameters (volume, plug-ins, ...), > but the sound quality difference smells more like clocking (can a software > produce more jitter than another, anybody able to measure this? Can a > software produce jitter at all or is this down to the converter/clock - > which is the same in both progs...). > Are there overlays to using DAE in both programs which can cause the > difference? > AFAIK (haven´t tested myself) "identical" mixes done in either program > (levels all at 0db, hard panned, no plug-ins etc.) cancel out digitally. something else ive noticed and maybe someone else has is that in logic the channels set to dae sound different than dtdm. if i set my tracks to dae the sound seems more defined and full bodied. which bums me out because the whole point of the dtdm is to be able to have both worlds working together to give more power and flexibility but now im finding myself setting all my tracks to dae except for my audio intruments ofcourse which is going in away from the way i wanted to work. it also it seems like i have more headroom and dae handles hotter levels before distorting than dtdm. to me the difference betwwen dtdm and dae in logic is similar to the difference between dae in logic and protools. check it out and see if anyone else finds this or not. mike v.

At 04:06 AM 3/5/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Yes, me too. >Could there be any program internal sync/clocking differences? The clock is from the interface so that shouldn't be the case if one is using TDM. I can't say I really hear a difference between the two, but I haven't done any direct comparison. Colin Miller