> From: "Juergen Scriba" <scriba@...> > I don't think this idea is stupid at all (if you believe a physicist). > Of course you can't leave the fridge off since the waste energy of the > computer wouldn't dissipate (a fridge is meant to insulate) and the > temperature will rise to fatal levels. But if you set the fridge to, say, > 20C the excess heat will be transfered to the outside without the interior > ever falling below dew point, thus avoiding condensation. The normal > fridge-thermostat is probably not built to be set to 20C reliably but > electronic temp switches are easy to find >for a couple of $. Just set the > fridge's dial to real cold (means the switch is >allways on), stick the > sensor inside the fridge and run the fridge's mains > voltage through the electronic switch. Should be pretty easy. And your electric bill?? For the money the "fridge" used in one month of constant operation you could purchase a quiet water cool system and a couple of silent fans by stealth. H

>For the money the "fridge" used in one month of constant operation you >could purchase a quiet water cool system and a couple of silent fans by >stealth. Interesting. Do you have a link to such a water based system. I would like to learn more.

> >For the money the "fridge" used in one month of constant operation > >you could purchase a quiet water cool system and a couple of > >silent fans by stealth. --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Gunn <dennisg@a...> wrote: > Interesting. Do you have a link to such a water based system. I > would like to learn more. I've never heard of a water cooling system for Macs before. They are traditionally used by Windows guys overclocking quite a bit... For Windows PCs Koolance comes highly recommended from Mr. Scott Reams of LiquidDAW.com -- http://koolance.com/products/index.html? category_id=2 They even have some liquid hard drive coolers. No idea if any of this stuff is Mac compatible though. However water cooling kits are a bit expensive and are usually overkill unless you are going to be overclocking quite a bit. For my new machine I just ordered a silent Zalman CPU fan - CNPS6000CU for USD $45.45 including shipping from sharkacorp.com ... It should be silent enough since I don't plan to overclock, plus I don't have to worry about water possibly leaking inside of the case. Note the regular Koolance water coolers have 2 or 3 big fans sitting on top of an external enclosure which could very well end up being just as loud as the G4s to begin with. Jeremy

> > Interesting. Do you have a link to such a water based system. I > > would like to learn more. > > Koolance comes highly recommended ... Oops, the link got cut off, it should be: http://koolance.com/products/index.html?category_id=2 Jeremy

>> For the money the "fridge" used in one month of constant operation you >> could purchase a quiet water cool system and a couple of silent fans by >> stealth. > > Interesting. Do you have a link to such a water based system. I > would like to learn more. If you think the poster meant you could get a water cooling system for cheap, think the other way around. The poster meant any refrigeration via a...refrigerator...would cost obscenely high. Refrigerators are notorious as just about the single most energy wasteful appliance and "only" making it keep the temperature around 70 degrees or whatever is not going to save you any over running a "normal" refrigerator with food because you are making it work against the computer generating heat whereas a refrigerator under normal circumstances does not have elements actively producing generous amounts of heat within it. Besides, how would you get you cables in/out of the refrigerator? ;) Take care Jesse Widener

> >> For the money the "fridge" used in one month of constant operation you >>> could purchase a quiet water cool system and a couple of silent fans by >>> stealth. >> >> Interesting. Do you have a link to such a water based system. I >> would like to learn more. > >If you think the poster meant you could get a water cooling system for >cheap, think the other way around. Hmmm. I looked at the link (http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/index.htm?883) and it looked indeed like I could do exactly that. Looks like the whole schmeer would cost right around $200. I have a machine room so this issue is not as big a deal for me as it is for some of my friends who would very gladly pay $200 for some peace and quiet. >The poster meant any refrigeration >via a...refrigerator...would cost obscenely high. Refrigerators are >notorious as just about the single most energy wasteful appliance and >"only" making it keep the temperature around 70 degrees or whatever is >not going to save you any over running a "normal" refrigerator with food >because you are making it work against the computer generating heat >whereas a refrigerator under normal circumstances does not have elements >actively producing generous amounts of heat within it. That was not my suggestion. I would just go ahead and run the thing cold. >Besides, how would you get you cables in/out of the refrigerator? ;) I'd make a hole for them and stuff felt around the cables to keep the air from flowing in and out.

> >> For the money the "fridge" used in one month of constant operation > >> you could purchase a quiet water cool system and a couple > of silent > >> fans by stealth. > > > > Interesting. Do you have a link to such a water based > system. I would > > like to learn more. > > If you think the poster meant you could get a water cooling.... LOL - you guys sound like fanatic pc overclockers ;-D I am "the original poster" and my question was not about refrigerators. I was wondering if someone had any thoughts on the possible noise factor of an eventual future IBM 970 Mac? The background was the article at http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,57793,00.html?tw=wn_ascii and some other threads here. Personally I just cancelled my order for a new "Only OSX" Mac and will instead buy a dirt cheap used G4 to play around with v.6 while keeping my pc based 5.5 system as the main studio workhorse. Somehow it just doesn't feel as the time is right to go for a brand new mac system these days? Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.looproom.com --> 1st Swedish Looping Festival

On a fine day, 04-03-2003, Per Boysen wrote: >Somehow it just doesn't feel as the time is right to go for a brand new >mac system these days? Completely uneducated reply: my gut-feeling exactly, and I'm a Mac-aholic since some 12 years... -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

> On a fine day, 04-03-2003, Per Boysen wrote: > >Somehow it just doesn't feel as the time is right to go for a brand new > >mac system these days? --- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: > Completely uneducated reply: my gut-feeling exactly, and I'm a > Mac-aholic since some 12 years... Rumour Mill: I read an article (can't find it now) on the IBM site about the new PowerPC reaching over 2.4Gh @ 64b. Slated for July release...

Hi there, On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 03:07 AM, Jason & Kelley <jason_72969@...> wrote: > Rumour Mill: I read an article (can't find it now) on the IBM site > about the new PowerPC reaching over 2.4Gh @ 64b. Slated for July > release... Well they've already announced 1.8 to 2.5Ghz...so no need for the rumours... with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@...