Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote: >On a fine day, 27-02-2003, Ben Hall wrote: >> > On a fine day, 27-02-2003, Michael Haydn wrote: >>> >We have uploaded version 5.5.1 updaters for Logic Platinum >> >>From: "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...> >>> Now, aren't these guys cool, or what? >> >>Version 6 would be cooler... >... but unrealistic, right? The fact that they still issue >Win-updates, even when the Mac-version has moved on _is_ cool imo. >They needn't do that, as far as I can see. YMMV though. Heck, the >only way we Mac users can get these bugs fixed is by paying some $130 >:). Hi Hendrik Jan Well, I agree that it is both pleasing and encouraging to see another windows version of Logic coming out, even if it doesn't include any new features - I remember many a post on this list wishing for bug fixes to be more of a priority than new features :-). At the same time, I feel there are a number of features/improvements introduced in LA 6 which have been asked for for a _Loooong_ time, to be specific: Time machine - improved in 6, but has never really been that useful since it first appeared (was that version 3.xxx, or even earlier?). I hope this gets passed down to LAW 5.x Marquee tool - I would view this as going a long way to completing TBA which as we all know and love, so again, lets see this being made available. I am not going to try to make a case for freeze, project manager and some of the genuinely new functions in 6, I will only say that I for one would love Emagic to take my money to get all of these! As someone who is still quite open to the idea of switching from PC to Mac, I find the current situation a bit curious - since LA6 is available, there is now a reason to switch based on features which are only available for the Mac platform - I fully accept that this was always going to happen, since July's takeover, the clock has been ticking for LAW users. What is curious at the moment is that the non-availability of OS9 bootable G4's throws a huge obstacle in the way of making the switch. The argument "if you are relying on Waves/Native instruments/VST/whatever, then use OS9" unfortunately no longer applies. It seems to me that Apples' strategy of persuading us longtime PC users to switch is now at the mercy of 3rd party companies giving OSX/AU's their full support. kind regards Mark Cahill (still in "wait and save" mode :-))

On a fine day, 28-02-2003, hesse-voormann@... wrote: >Well, I agree that it is both pleasing and encouraging to see another >windows version of Logic coming out, even if it doesn't include any new >features - I remember many a post on this list wishing for bug fixes to be >more of a priority than new features :-). At the same time, I feel there are >a number of features/improvements introduced in LA 6 which have been asked >for for a _Loooong_ time Yes, but I'm afraid that the fact that features have been requested will not necessarily mean they'll still be added to LAW -- unfortunately for all you LAW'ers, obviously. OTOH I think that Emagic could have decided to stop the entire LAW thing right here and now, with the release of LA6 for Mac. The fact that they choose to do otherwise is what made me say Emagic is cool. >What is curious at the moment is that the non-availability of OS9 >bootable G4's throws a huge obstacle in the way of making the switch. Yes, this is a curious situation indeed. It's an unfortunate coincidence (in the literal sense) of 2 major (and unrelated) changes happening at the same time: Emagic abandoning the Win platform, and Apple abandoning the OS9 platform. Sort of a compounded problem for LAW'ers wanting to switch indeed. I guess there are basically 3 options: 1) get a new Mac and use OSX without VST's (not an option for many), or 2) get a somewhat older Mac cheaper and use it with VSTs in OS9, possibly with a bit less performance than you were used to with your 8 trillion terahurts helium-cooled Pentium MCMLXII (hey, my birthyear! :), or 3) wait a bit (and be happy with LAW5.5) until either the VSTs are AUs, or a new and faster generation of Macs appears (and the VSTs are AUs). Tough one, I suppose... Personally, even though I could do with a faster machine (G4/350 now), I hold off and wait to see what happens in a year or so (these IBM thingies?). Maybe get a Sonnet card in the meantime... >Mark Cahill (still in "wait and save" mode :-)) Even though I'm on a Mac, I seem to be in the same mode. So maybe the platform doesn't make that much difference after all... :) You know, everyone (including yours truly) always wants more and faster and better... and yesterday please! And yet when you abandon that line of thought, and simply decide to not care too much and use what you have until some later date... that brings a sort of peace of mind... Oh well... Amen, end of sermon :). -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

> OTOH I think that > Emagic could have decided to stop the entire LAW thing right here and > now, with the release of LA6 for Mac. The fact that they choose to > do otherwise is what made me say Emagic is cool. I'm not sure what you say is true HJ. As far as I'm aware Emagic are legally bound to fully support Logic 5 for Windows until Sept 30th 2004 and I suspect this includes bug fixes. Apparently this is stipulated by German law. I'm there are others who know more than I on this matter. Tony Perretta

On a fine day, 01-03-2003, Tony Perretta wrote: > > OTOH I think that >> Emagic could have decided to stop the entire LAW thing right here and >> now, with the release of LA6 for Mac. The fact that they choose to >> do otherwise is what made me say Emagic is cool. > >I'm not sure what you say is true HJ. As far as I'm aware Emagic are legally >bound to fully support Logic 5 for Windows until Sept 30th 2004 and I >suspect this includes bug fixes. Apparently this is stipulated by German >law. That's the 1st time I hear this. What's the idea? A 2-year support period or something? But even then, define "support software". Does that mean they have to issue new releases, or does it mean their helpdesk may not turn down LAW-costumers, or anything in between... I don't believe for a second that any law could force a company to produce software for a specific group of people. That would bizarre, wouldn't it? I mean: what then if Emagic simply issued a 5.5.1 in which a minor detail was changed like the cokour of the Play button :), and then 6 months later ditto with a 5.5.2... That's "support" right -- new versions of the osftware... Surely this law doesn't say which features of the software should be changed or added, right? The fact that LA6 is Mac-only sort of proves my point: apparently Emagic is not forced, by law or however else, to keep the LAW and LAM versions "in sync" until Sept '04. So again: define "support"... -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

Hi HJ > > > OTOH I think that > > > Emagic could have decided to stop the entire LAW thing right here and > > > now, with the release of LA6 for Mac. The fact that they choose to > > > do otherwise is what made me say Emagic is cool. > >I'm not sure what you say is true HJ. As far as I'm aware Emagic are legally > >bound to fully support Logic 5 for Windows until Sept 30th 2004 and I > >suspect this includes bug fixes. Apparently this is stipulated by German > >law. > That's the 1st time I hear this. What's the idea? A 2-year support > period or something? That's it as far as I understand it. > I don't believe for a second that any law could force a company to > produce software for a specific group of people. That strikes me as a sensible and grounded belief. > The fact that LA6 is Mac-only sort of proves my point: I thought your point was that Emagic are "cool" for releasing bug fixes. I'm not aware of another point. > apparently > Emagic is not forced, by law or however else, to keep the LAW and LAM > versions "in sync" until Sept '04. er ... I never suggested this - let's stick to the point pls. > So again: define "support"... I'm merely pointing out some facts about the situation (as nebulous as it is) without entering into needless conjecture about the nature of Emagic's philosophy wrt support. I am not a legal expert and know even less about German law being a Londoner. You'll have to ask Emagic what they "define" as support, but the release of 5.5.1 suggests what Emagic's position might be. Whilst I am appreciative of continued support, it is also motivated by German law and not wholly by good will as you suggest. I am sure there are others who know more. HTH Tony Perretta

On a fine day, 01-03-2003, Tony Perretta wrote: > > I don't believe for a second that any law could force a company to >> produce software for a specific group of people. > >That strikes me as a sensible and grounded belief. > >> The fact that LA6 is Mac-only sort of proves my point: > >I thought your point was that Emagic are "cool" for releasing bug fixes. I'm >not aware of another point. :-) Yes, that innocent remark was my initial point indeed :). Above I refer to the previous remark that a law can't force a company to produce software for a specific group. >Whilst I am appreciative of continued support, it is also motivated by >German law and not wholly by good will as you suggest. Oh, that might very well be true... I wouldn't know. I would just be curious to know how a law can enforce 'support' since the term is far too vague imo to be able to capture it in any law. But lets drop it, okay? I just said Emagic were cool, and that's it. The remark was as innocenty as it sounded... And I'm way too busy to get involved in the details of German law. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com