Hi All, Standing at the sidelines watching all the OSX stuff starting to (painfully) slowly start to happen. I'm going to ask the taboo question that has been on my mind now for some time and dares not be asked.... but I'm going to ask: Why is it that it seems there is so much difficulty in getting PCI audio card (drivers) to function under OSX? Development for USB and Firewire audio devices seems to be slowly coming along. But is there some inherant incompatibility between PCI audio cards in general and OSX? I don't count TDM hardware, because that's sort of in a class of it's own. The Emagic Audiowerk drivers for OSX seem to be problematic at best. I think there may be some Delta card drivers, but they seem to be problematic too. Are there any native PCI audio cards actually functioning properly under OSX? if not, will they ever? I suspect one of the reasons Apple has upped the firewire spec recently is because of the inevitable demise of PCI cards with OSX, at least for audio. This is just my own personal theory..... any insights into this? -- Eli Krantzberg Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

> Why is it that it seems there is so much difficulty in getting PCI > audio card (drivers) to function under OSX? Development for USB and > Firewire audio devices seems to be slowly coming along. But is there > some inherant incompatibility between PCI audio cards in general and > OSX? The Emagic Audiowerk drivers for OSX seem to be problematic at > best. I think there may be some Delta card drivers, but they seem to > be problematic too. Are there any native PCI audio cards actually > functioning properly under OSX? if not, will they ever? > I suspect one of the reasons Apple has upped the firewire spec > recently is because of the inevitable demise of PCI cards with OSX, at > least for audio. This is just my own personal theory..... any insights > into this? I second your opinion. I bought a Delta 1010LT and there are issues under OS X while it works perfectly well under OS 9. 1. The sample buffer setting in logic doesn´t affect the card. 2. All settings are not being saved in preferences. (Hardware settings dB) 3. The crackles and pops are gone since 10.2.3 though. But I also feel that these issues will be solved. Another thing I want to know is how to make a midi configuration. I have midi in/out from the Delta Card + a midi interface (Midisport 2x2) and a usb keystation unit. There are more midi in/outs than I need. When I try to do a new midi configuration (i.e delete the ports I don´t use) the next time I open the config. it is scanning thru the computer for midi ports and "voila", all midiports are back again. It is therefore impossible to get rid of unnessecary ports using the audio/midi preferences application. Does anyone know of a solution except removing the drivers from the system? Michael

From IK Multimedia U.S. Division: Yes we are going to do AU for Logic. It will probably be sometime March/April (Hopefully)

[note from admin: as this is about OSX - Mac only - I changed the label to LAM instead of GEN...] Eli Krantzberg wrote: > Why is it that it seems there is so much difficulty in getting PCI audio card > (drivers) to function under OSX? Development for USB and Firewire audio > devices seems to be slowly coming along. But is there some inherant > incompatibility between PCI audio cards in general and OSX? > I suspect one of the reasons Apple has upped the firewire spec recently is > because of the inevitable demise of PCI cards with OSX, at least for audio. > This is just my own personal theory..... any insights into this? Eli, It does seem that FW and USB have been given more of a push than PCI audio when it comes to drivers. Perhaps they are easier to code or better documented?? However, there were several PCI manufacturers that announced forthcoming OS 10 drivers at NAMM. (as well as Motu FINALLY announcing driver support) My AW2 works great in OS 10.2.3- as long as I don't leave Logic open and unattended for lengthy periods of time. It also has sleep issues (even if only putting monitors to sleep, sometimes they won't "wake up"). But I have no channel swapping, crackles, or pops that others struggled w/ in OS 9. And so far, none of the super annoying problem that the AW2 thinks it's an AW8 and is unrecoginzed by Logic. (Don't know if others struggled w/ this or if my AW2 is slightly defective.) Regards, Russ