> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:26:08 PST > From: "Rui Gouveia" <rmpgouveia@...> > >>>OK, fair enough, Markus, but is there somebody that *can* speak for the >>>Windows version? >> >>Watch <http://www.emagic.de>; >> > >What for ? We've all known for a long time that LAWG will work just as badly >after the 1st of January of 2000 as it does now. >Do you visit www.emagic.de yourself ? Have you noticed that the "News" page >is as dead as a dodo ? > >There's also nothing about ReWire nor about VST2.0 on your site, but >apparently Emagic has made official announcements on some German magazine. >Isn't that worthy of being on your news page ? Maybe it was all made up by >that magazine after all. > > >>>Don't people at Emagic talk to each other? >> >>What is your problem? >> >> >>With greetings from Germany >> >>Sascha Kujawa > >Are you taking the piss ? You know what the bloody problem is. Are not >reading the list ? Will you at Emagic ever learn that being sarcastic and >arrogant is even worse than ignoring your customers. Don't worry, the word >is spreading about the type of people you really are. > >> From: BasharAR <basharar@...> >>Subject: Re: Re: Logic + VST 2.0 >> >>Seconded, there is a lot of crying and whining on the list lately..... >>> >>> >>>If some Emagic staff makes inofficial announcements, ok, >>>but please don't rely on this or force others to do the same! > >Sure, you are using LAMP so what do you care ? Go and zap your pram or >something. > >There's a lot of unhappy LAW users in this group, please do not let the Mac >users bully us into stopping our complaints. Emagic has to learn one way or >another. Word will spread of how Emagic treats it's customers. > Very rarely do I get involved in "discussions" of this type, but in the interests of stopping the thread and getting back to the point of what this newsgroup is about....namely helping one another with the software...here we go... I, and many other long-time users of Logic and subscribers to this list for years have seen thousands of angry posts....often pointing out flaws in the software.... and often not without some justification. Much of this anger was directed at inneficient performance, poor documentation, missing features/facilities and having to wait for updates....among others. There has also been a lot of comment about Emagic's "arrogance", "bad attitude to customers" a.s.o. and other messages complaining about less significant details like the instrument icons. To this, I'd like to say that these types of posts are completely valid to the individual that posted them and any perceived shortcomings that you personally find in LAW or LAM will piss you off....of course ;-)) The catch-22 is that if you have an "issue" with LA or Emagic, then venting your spleen on the list does little for either the community or yourself as it doesn't sate your anger and benefits no other users. As a different approach, might I suggest a more "zen" and constructive attitude where you ask people if there's a way around a particular problem...and if not, then use the wishlist on Joeri's site to ask for facilities. Emagic DO actually read this. With regard to Emagic's "arrogance"....again, this is based on individual perception....but, as an "old-timer" with the software.... I've gotta say that Emagic have "arrogantly" added thousands - literally - of features requested on this group....and rest assured, the facilities mentioned in that "German magazine" will show up at some time....maybe soon. This group and the wish list have always been the way Emagic have learnt about the facilities that we, the users, want and has always been the way that they update the program/s...by listening to us. Admittedly, updates never come soon enough if you're really hanging out for a function that will make your life easier ;-)) A last point I'd like to make is that this is a USER group, not an "official" Emagic-run list. Emagic's staff don't HAVE TO participate here, they CHOOSE TO. This is a good thing because, as mentioned, our discussion and requests (not rants) drive the software's development. And trust me.....and all the other long-term LUGgers....it's much better having someone from Emagic here than not having them here. If you ask around, or look back through the mcc archives you'll see the LUG's golden age where Gerhard Lengeling himself used to participate - before one of the user's "arrogance" (yes, we can do it too!) saw Gerhard (and many of the other core programmers and personalities at Emagic) opt out. Sorry for this post....but calm will always win out. If you have any flames or comments, then please post them to me privately rather than continuing this ultimately futile thread. Dave Bellingham Consultant, Musician, Webguy Author of the Wizoo guides to LAW/LAM Check out the Logic Audio FAQ at: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~oscwilde Home of the Emagic Logic Webring